Here is an idea ...

About: TechCrunch ? Better and Cheaper Online File Storage

some smart person is gonna write a driver for an Online File Storage network that makes it look just like a hard drive.  Well maybe it's already been done ... maybe not.  And i agree with TechCrunch, it needs to be radically cheeper than even having a local hard drive.  

Does omnidrive do this ?

Also we need to be able to tag files, rather than put them in folders.

Another company in online storage is already open and is offering 10g free.
streamload.

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Comments


Seth says
Mark 2005-12-28 09:48:20 2349
Actually, what I am saying is this guy can't offer online storage cheaper than anyone else. Everybody buys the harddisks from one of the main manufacturers. 
... err that is about as untrue as any statement can be.  Do you for a moment think that google pays the same amount for "hard disk" storage as you or i do .. or even the same price as Spy does?  Haven't you seen those huge hard disk farms (there is a word for them that escapes me at the moment).  I saw one back in the 80's.  It was very impressive.  How many orders of magnitude cheeper can large, well funded, organization purchase storage?  Let me take a guess ... 1,000,000.

Mark de LA says
Google mail space is probably a loss-leader or taking advantage of unused storage at the moment. Consider how much storage they have to have for what they do!

Mark de LA says
Actually, what I am saying is this guy can't offer online storage cheaper than anyone else. Everybody buys the harddisks from one of the main manufacturers. Unless he has managed to manufacture a high capacity hard drive that is better than anything else on the market, he is limited by what's out there. Hard drive capacity is quite competitive (also size - consider ipods & their clones). The idea of sharing on a network itself is NOT new. If he prices it below the cost of his hardware + technicians + maintenance then he will go out of business - beware of what you put on his network if you want it in perpetuity.

Seth says
Mark 2005-12-28 09:11:59 2349
Anybody hear of NFS ? It's been around for years for UNIX/Linux systems.  Attach a NAS or SAN device with terrabytes of storage to a server and let her rip! Rent the storage out from the server. (some details left out). 

oh, you gonna spring for a terrabytes of storage for us ?  I think the point is (1) it has to be just as simple for the end user to do as a 2 minute download and install and he gets a drive on his machine into which he can drag and drop,  then (2) the storage needs to be rediculously cheep ... cheeper than purchasing another hard drive.  Neither of those requirements are met with NFS. 

Mark de LA says
I didn't say "for us" to do it. You are currently renting storage from the ISP - it just doesn't appear local . It could thru NFS. You would just need some sysadmin work & probably run Linux. With some difficulty I think some kind of arrangement could be made to access it with Windows - I don't know whether Samba would work there or not. It's not a new idea. Storage is becoming extremely cheap for hardrives. Then again, with your storage somewhere else on the server you are beginning to go back to the mainframe concept (;-))

Seth says
... well i guess i miss your point, Mark. Paying for storage at Spry is an order more expensive than purchasing another hard drive. If omnidrive is successful in their business, then i will be able to purchase cheaper storage from them than i could purchase by buying a new hard drive. Perhaps you are saying that they should maybe be compatable with NFS. If so, that sounds like a good idea.

Seth says
unknown 2005-12-28 06:42:33 2349
Hi Nik here from OD - we will get the pricing down just don't want to over-promise at the moment. We will get to a point where for private storage data is free and infinite, and we are not as far away from this as some might think (months, not years). With Omnidrive your hosted storage behaves just like a local hard drive.
i can hardly wait.  Hi Nik.

Seth says
Another way to pay for online storage is to sell files.   Yes, sell files.  You know, like the old selling CD's and tapes ... and if you go back far enough even books.  It's an old concept,  perhaps some of you will remember it.  The way this works is that the Storage Grid Utility Companies (SGUC for short) allow authors to put buy buttons on any file.  Clicking the buy button is like clicking a buy button over at an Amazon Z Shop.  Notice that Amazon takes your money, not the merchant selling the item.  So the SGUC makes it's squeeze on any purchase.   Shucks, somebody is gonna make a billion on that idea.  I's do it, but don't have enough of those s.


unknown says
Hi Nik here from OD - we will get the pricing down just don't want to over-promise at the moment. We will get to a point where for private storage data is free and infinite, and we are not as far away from this as some might think (months, not years). With Omnidrive your hosted storage behaves just like a local hard drive.

Seth says

Update:

source: TechCrunch:  Omnidrive - Online Storage Perfection
Their current pricing reflects this thinking. They will give a gig or two of storage for free, and sell 10 gb bundles above that for ?not more than? $70 per year. That?s pricy, but way below the industry standard right now.
Yep, the gig for free is but 10g at $70/year is way to expensive, especially since i can purchase a 60g hard drive for a one time $100 outlay.   Also we want the storage to be distributed so that if one company goes out of business, then our files don't go away.  Iow, a storage cloud, like the power grid. 

The public/private is about right, and tagging is about right. 

Seth says
Another nifty pricing feature would be the purchase of storage in perpetuity. Pay once per gig and the gig never goes away. Perhaps this would apply to read only storage. You should be able to make a website and come back in a thousand years and it still be there.

Mark de LA says
For the paranoid, all you probably will need is the URL to the NSA or other government storage of all the wepages in the world & maybe use that (;-))

Mark de LA says
Are you saying that this guy then is big enough to buy storage with google discounts ? Even google doesn't manufacture their own hard drives. They buy frome somebody else. For all I know they may use mainframe hard drives. You are the one that is missing the point. I priced a terrabyte of NAS on my local microcenter.com at $900. On a cc that probably costs around $30/month.

Seth says
... well, obviously i dont know the scale of storage prices off the top of my head, but i would bet that Nik is funded at the level where his cost is within hailing distance to Google's cost. If that is the case, then if he splits the rest of the 1,000,000 in scale between his profit and the end user, his entertrise is still very profitable.

Mark de LA says
online storage/bandwidth is already a commodity. KEWL if he can offer it at a good price. Comcast already offers movies on demand at ~$4/pop (plus the entire subscription price)- some cheaper, some free.

Seth says
I think that online network storage and the bandwidth to access it will inevitably compete with the manufactur and distributing of CD's. When that comes to pass, our gadgets will just need the url of a movie or a song for them to play it. Your iPod will not need much storage.

Seth says
Note that omnidrive's 10g @ $70/year compares with Spry's 10g $180/year ... that's a pretty good discount. We might want to move the media directory to omnidrive.

Seth says
There is an active discussion at url http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/12/28/omnidrive-online-storage-perfection/ including my comments.

Seth says
 here is their competition url http://www.streamload.com/


Seth says
more online storage at url http://www.storegate.com/001.aspx?flash=yes

Seth says

Starting at $9/mo for 300MB up to $400+/mo for 35GB+
, expensive,  too deer for my pocket book, but i suppose they are charging for convenience.

Seth says
woops, forgot the url http://globaldatavault.com/

Seth says
M 2006-01-31 16:25:54 2349
I think one of the challenges of online storage is having the pictures & other media available over the web. It is one thing to store your backups and another thing to have bandwidth available to use it over the internet whenever you want it. Some of the companies mentioned in this item only store the data & others charge an arm and a leg for the bandwidth.
I agree.  Ideally we should be able to store movies, pictures, podcasts, databases, whatever. The big divider is public\private. It seems to me that large public files should be shared in some holographic manner.  No sense in letting everyone have their own copy of all the Godfather movies stored online.  As bandwidth increases dramatically in the long run, online storage should make large local hard drives just economically infeasable.  Of course nobody knows how long it takes us to the to the long run.

Seth says
source: another analysis from TechCrunch
I firmly believe that online storage should, and will, be packaged with new computers and applications like Windows. The amount of unprotected, but hugely imporpant media content out there on hard drives (music, movies, home movies, pictures), is growing every day. People need somewhere to back this data up for a reasonable fee, and it seems to me that Dell and others should package this service with the PC. All initial software would be auto stored, and users would have the option to continuously syncronize their hard drive with the virtual drive.





Mark de LA says
I think one of the challenges of online storage is having the pictures & other media available over the web. It is one thing to store your backups and another thing to have bandwidth available to use it over the internet whenever you want it. Some of the companies mentioned in this item only store the data & others charge an arm and a leg for the bandwidth.

Mark de LA says
If you want to store backups tape is still the cheapest for the amount of data you can store.

Seth says
Of course if Google does it, well then ... url http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/060307/google_storage.html

Seth says
Amazon is doing it too
source: Amazon S3

Pricing

  • Pay only for what you use. There is no minimum fee, and no start-up cost.
  • $0.15 per GB-Month of storage used.
  • $0.20 per GB of data transferred.

which is still more expensive than buying an extra hard drive.  Why don't these guys get it ... cheeper than buying a hard drive is where this idea takes off.


Mark de LA says
seth 2006-03-14 16:00:49 2349
Amazon is doing it too
source: Amazon S3
Pricing
  • Pay only for what you use. There is no minimum fee, and no start-up cost.
  • $0.15 per GB-Month of storage used.
  • $0.20 per GB of data transferred.

which is still more expensive than buying an extra hard drive.  Why don't these guys get it ... cheeper than buying a hard drive is where this idea takes off.
More stuff, especially thoughts on use & encryption on the Amazon solution from slashdot are here  -uri http://slashdot.org/articles/06/03/15/0424216.shtml

Mark de LA says
M 2006-03-14 16:16:16 2349
IMHO it will never be cheaper than a hard drive because they have to buy a hard drive too! If you want to have it as cheap as a hard drive then have somebody co-host your machine at an ISP.  If all you want to do is store some digital files then buy a hard drive. 
Somebody that has a very large server farm (like Google who can buy at huge economies of scale) or is selling space as a loss-leader might be able to offer it for less than the hardware costs .

Seth says
seth 2006-03-15 15:32:57 2349
another one url http://box.net/
Access important files from any computer
Share photos,
and files too big for email
Synchronize and backup folders
Sub-accounts and RSS feeds for groups

1GB for free or 5GB for only $4.99/mo


Seth says
until somebody makes a s3 node ... here is someone using s3 to store text of a wiki url http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/04/21/an-s3-ajax-wiki

Seth says
source: Hitachi to offer cloud storage via twitter
Heard this at #HDSday & now it's public; #HDS working with telcos to deliver white label cloud storage to consumers http://bit.ly/aG5KKu
...

Seth says

Comparison of cloud storage.



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