Top 10 Sources

source:  above
Top 10 Sources is a directory of sites that bring you the freshest, most relevant content on the Web. We know it's impossible for anyone to keep track of the 20 million+ online sources of information. So our editors search Web 2.0 -- blogs, podcasts, wikis, news sites, and every kind of syndicated sources online -- by hand. Our Top 10 lists are updated frequently as great new sources come online.
But, can they republish the full content without permission from the author ?
source: Shelley Powers
However, re-publishing the content in its entirety for mass consumption without permission is a violation of copyright law. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. ...
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Now, people can and should include Creative Commons licenses that allow one to re-publish content if they don't care that this happens. But if they do, and no commercial re-publication is allowed, this means that sites such as Top Ten Sources cannot re-publish the material if the site is run as a commercial for-profit enterprise.
My own complaint with Top 10 Sources is that I cannot find any clear prevalent hyperlink back to the source site.  Perhaps I missed it.  If this site is reprojecting the content, yet not providing a way to get back to the site, then it is stealing content, "No ifs, ands, or buts about it".  But if they are republishing and providing those links, then me thinks the authors will get their fair share in whatever glory is comming.  I spent about 5 minutes looking for these links back to the author's original articles.  Mayby i'm blind, but i couldn't find any. 

Dave Winer thinks that an OPML reading list is sufficient:
source: Dave Winer
The debate has focused on the negatives, and I think missed that Top Ten Sources is a send-them-away-so-they'll-come-back site. They publish a reading list for each of the sites, containing pointers to the RSS feeds for each of the chosen source.
But I disagree.  That is way way too indirect.  Far too few content consumers have implemented anything that would allow them to get from there to the author's words in the author's context.  A reading list is not the solution. But I don't expect Dave to understand that, obviously he is just busy promoting his OPML.

An unbiased description of what Top 10 Sources is doing:
source: John Palfrey
First, an editor, as part of an editorial team chooses a topic, spends a LOT of time in the community of people writing about this topic, consults some technical metrics for the sources, and chooses 10 online sources (defined simply as offering a feed syndicated using some flavor of RSS) that cover that topic.  The editors periodically repeat this process, taking one source off the list when a voice fades or stops covering the same topic, and adding a new voice as it emerges as important and topical.  The point is to create a human-edited Reading List by topic, and to contribute those sources into a human-created, limited search engine.  

As the editor compiles the site, the editor sends out an e-mail to the person who appears to be responsible for the site, or, sometimes, posts a comment to say that the site has been chosen.  The site renders a list of those sites offering the feeds as directlinks to the page.  The site also subscribes to those feeds and renders them all together on a single page.  It is this latter activity that I take to be the concern. 
Sounds innocent enough, especially if they will remove any site that requests removal.  I reiterate my only complaint:  they should make the link to the author's article prevalent




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Comments


Seth says
Note that this is kind of a continuation of what has been going on in burningbird,repeating

Seth says
... Robert brings up the point:
source: comment by robert on Burningbird: That old copyright song
... what is the difference between traditional publishing, and the web? Not to drill what might appear to be an obvious thing into the ground, let me restate it: when one puts a document on the web, one has already given it to every single node on the internet that has a web browser. This is fundamentally ? I would say qualitatively ? different from a traditional ?print? publishing model, where the act of publishing is to give to an individual person a single document that is accompanied by a legal contract. It seems a bit silly to assert this same contract in a space where one has already given a ?copy? of the document to potentially every other person in the world! ...
This seems to fly in the face of Shelley's "I?m very confident that I hold the copyright on my writing regardless of the medium in which I publish the writing".  But the difference is clear, the copy of the material in your browser or your feed aggregator is the single copy for your own personal use.  It is easy to distinguish the browser cache from serving that same material to millions of people from a server.

Seth says
source:  my comment on TechCrunch
You say ?Top 10 Sources properly attributes and links to the original blog content?, but i must be blind because i can?t find those links to the orginal story. I did find some links to the blogs in their OPML, if you want to geek into that; but wow that is sooo indirect. Maybe i am missing the obvious ? Whare are these links of which you speek ?



Seth says
mark 2006-01-23 04:29:13 2573
unknown 2006-01-22 18:57:56 2573
The above has some interesting rants on copyright. It is probably spam to improve his blog juice.  I posted something on his to return the favor.
Well it's not spam because this item is about Copyright, the Internet, and blogs.  Actually i had read his node prior to posting ours, even though his node is not directly connected to Shelley's ... now we are connected.

There is an ebb and flow between diametrically opposed poles:  on the one end we have what appeas to be an author's soverign right to control and profit from their labors; and on the other end the collective right of the community to access, interrelate,and mashup those works.  Getting into my leviathan metaphor, [see: tag leviathan], copyright is like the anti enzyme that suppresses the folow of information; but it does so for the profit of the individual. Like all biological processes, it is a balancing act.



Seth says
source: via Boing Boing today ... Vatican cashes in by putting price on the Popes copyright
Publishers will have to negotiate a levy of between 3 per cent and 5 per cent of the cover price of any book or publication ?containing the Pope?s words?. Those who infringe the copyright face legal action and a higher levy of 15 per cent.
... .. i though the Pope was the spokesman for God.  Does God copyright ?

Seth says
In a way Top 10 Sources is vunerable to a class action suit.  If they do become successful and have deep pockets, then the authors from which they have stolen could ban together and take back that money.  If they steal mine, and are successful, i will be  and go  laughing to the bank. 


Mark de LA says
The problem of republishing or reprojecting content from another website is that the original source doesn't get the click-thru benefits nor a click at all. From one perspective that is stealing. I say that at a minimum a link to the site being projected and an acknowledgement that the material is from another site would be a good start toward being a good internet citizen. But, in a world that contains spammers & phishers & UBL I may be crying into the wilderness 


unknown says
Copyright, the Internet and Blogs
http://theheadlemur.typepad.com/ravinglunacy/2006/01/copyright_on_th.html

unknown says
Indigo:  Hi, Seth.  I am part of the Top 10 Sources team.  I am writing to respond to the concern you expressed about whether Top 10 Sources is properly attributing RSS feeds to the original blog source.

The attribution has always been handled at the individual post level, with a direct link from every post and post fragment to the original post in the actual blog. The opinion expressed by Techcrunch, that "Top 10 Sources properly attributes and links to the original blog content", is likely a reference to the existence of the feed title (blog name) and direct links to the individual posts in the actual blog.

In addition, in response to focused comments such as yours and others, we have now implemented a link from the feed title (blog name) to the home page of the actual blog.  When you click on the feed title, it opens the home page of the blog in the same window (good). We are currently working to implement this behavior for the direct links from the posts to the original blogs, which still open in a separate window.

Thanks so much to you and to the community for a very productive discussion, which I am sure will continue in these interesting times.   -Indigo ( Technical Editor, toptensources.com )

Seth says
MR of group mark 2016-02-22 07:26:25 [item 2573#46333]
urls are not very secure – for some strange reason http://www.fastblogit.com/78 got be to this place where I am posting.  One thing they taught in QA school is to try all kinds of things in the url field of a browser to see if mischief could be had. laughing
i might be able to shed some light here.   it appears that group spambots has not earned the right to be named as http://fastblogit.com/spambots yet.   Right, nathan?

… er, well apparently it has.    just check my references above.

So then this is just a case where the “alias” of group 78 is group spambots … both addresses work.

Does that explaint it to you Mark?

Seth says
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 07:40:35 [item 2573#46343]
The only groups with “gold” status are “seth”, “mark”, and “nathan”. All other groups are standard groups and will have their group id in underlying urls. In all cases, the number or the name will work fine. Gold status only applies to how underlaying url’s are constructed.

We can apply “gold status” to any other groups on an “as for sure it is really and absolutely needed” bases. Clearly any open groups and casual groups should not get that status.
seth of group seth 2016-02-22 07:45:21 [item 2573#46345]
well this really is at the discretion of the wizzard of the domain.   And there should be a protocol to assign “gold status” to a group.   And a new right established in the rights table for it.
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 07:47:07 [item 2573#46346]
Of course. Hence the right’s horse is put out on the field this morning, for it must be ahead of the “what you can do with rights” carts.  
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Seth says
and this is a really wierd place to have this particular dialogue

Si says
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 07:40:35 [item 2573#46343]
The only groups with “gold” status are “seth”, “mark”, and “nathan”. All other groups are standard groups and will have their group id in underlying urls. In all cases, the number or the name will work fine. Gold status only applies to how underlaying url’s are constructed.

We can apply “gold status” to any other groups on an “as for sure it is really and absolutely needed” bases. Clearly any open groups and casual groups should not get that status.
seth of group seth 2016-02-22 07:45:21 [item 2573#46345]
well this really is at the discretion of the wizzard of the domain.   And there should be a protocol to assign “gold status” to a group.   And a new right established in the rights table for it.
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 07:49:06 [item 2573#46348]
Of course. Hence the right’s horse is put out on the field this morning, for it must be ahead of the “what you can do with rights” carts.  

The actual thing done is just a quad table change though, equivalent to how rights changes are made. I have a general quad table editor I can make available to you when I rework it just a bit and it could be used to change any system parameter.
seth of group seth 2016-02-22 08:09:39 [item 2573#46355]
yes this might be a good first example for designing these quads. 

hmmm … ← means thinking out loud … and in this case off the top of my head
 
context subject verb object comment
domain 9 alias “ai” assigns the alias “ai” to group 9
  9 status gold : 1 means that all hyperinks to group 9  are anchroed to “ai”.

hmmm … might best be a domain default.
 
domain seth rights change status = 1  


  er like i said, thinking out loud off the top of my head before i master your right structure
Currently, this is a group property called hasAlias. But the name and placement is under experimental status. Might just want to call it “gold” or “permanance”.

quad: group/<gid>/hasAlias/[1|0]

Mark de LA says
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 07:28:24 [item 2573#46336]
Not sure what your issue here is. Group 78 is “spambots” and these are the posts in it. Nothing out of the ordenary in this url at all. 
MR of group mark 2016-02-22 07:33:56 [item 2573#46340]
simply said it is not a good idea to be able to navigate within fbi by manually changing the url in a browser. like group 0 & 1 are relatively protected – maybe not others.  Good way to test your security system though laughing I can also find the names of all of your groups that way. 
seth of group seth 2016-02-22 07:37:57 [item 2573#46342]
i disagree mark … there *must* be a way to “navigate in fastblogit” by calling up a particular URL.   That is the way things are found from the outside.
G+ & FB go through the front door after they already know you.  G+ sets back to zero. 
i.e. https://plus.google.com/u/0/  or on safari https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin?service=oz&passive=1209600&continue=https://plus.google.com/u/0/?gpsrc%3Dgplp0#identifier 

anyway I have other passions this AM. rollin’ on. tuit

Si says
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 08:33:36 [item 2573#46367]

HEY! STOP DELETING MARKS FOOD OR INCUR MY GOD POWER WRATH!!

TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 08:36:16 [item 2573#46369]
who you talking to .. i deleted nothing.
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 08:39:22 [item 2573#46371]
Whoever did delete it. I don’t care if it is you or Mark. I don’t extend that right and will enforce that if needed.  
TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 08:42:21 [item 2573#46374]
why would you want to prevent mark from deleting his own shit?
MR of group mark 2016-02-22 08:45:22 [item 2573#46376]
https://www.powerthesaurus.org/arrogance is the answer.thumbs up – in some cultures in the old days there were mean gods. cryingcryingthumbs down
When you acknowledge and understand that you create your verse, then you will decided. Until then, you are at the mercy of your undecided self trying to get your own attention.  

Mark de LA says
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 08:33:36 [item 2573#46367]

HEY! STOP DELETING MARKS FOOD OR INCUR MY GOD POWER WRATH!!

TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 08:36:16 [item 2573#46369]
who you talking to .. i deleted nothing.
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 08:39:22 [item 2573#46371]
Whoever did delete it. I don’t care if it is you or Mark. I don’t extend that right and will enforce that if needed.  
TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 08:42:21 [item 2573#46374]
why would you want to prevent mark from deleting his own shit?
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 08:45:52 [item 2573#46377]
Well, not to be mean, but just to be frank. It really is none of your business.
TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 08:49:34 [item 2573#46380]
sure it is the business of the Wizzard of this domain.  in this domain people have always been permitted to delete their own comments and items.  regardless of what group they are writing in.   that is a fb1 right from the start and it has served us well. 
MR of group mark 2016-02-22 08:52:06 [item 2573#46382]
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… just points out a vulnerability of the forking thingy … fork & delete .rose

Seth says
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 08:33:36 [item 2573#46367]

HEY! STOP DELETING MARKS FOOD OR INCUR MY GOD POWER WRATH!!

TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 08:36:16 [item 2573#46369]
who you talking to .. i deleted nothing.
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 08:39:22 [item 2573#46371]
Whoever did delete it. I don’t care if it is you or Mark. I don’t extend that right and will enforce that if needed.  
TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 08:42:21 [item 2573#46374]
why would you want to prevent mark from deleting his own shit?
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 08:45:52 [item 2573#46377]
Well, not to be mean, but just to be frank. It really is none of your business.
TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 08:49:34 [item 2573#46380]
sure it is the business of the Wizzard of this domain.  in this domain people have always been permitted to delete their own comments and items.  regardless of what group they are writing in.   that is a fb1 right from the start and it has served us well. 
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 08:53:59 [item 2573#46384]
Then you are a tyrant, not a wizard. Sticking your nose in things that don’t concern you. I don’t get involved with the seemingly unproductive and usually very long dialogs and interactions you have with Mark. You should not consider it your business to get into mine. You are not my mother.
nathan you are getting confused.

i am in no way getting involved in your rwg games with mark.  i deleted nothing.  if something was deleted it was mark who deleted it. 

And that was his right.   A person has the right to delete whatever he can write. 

Mark de LA says
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 08:33:36 [item 2573#46367]

HEY! STOP DELETING MARKS FOOD OR INCUR MY GOD POWER WRATH!!

TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 08:36:16 [item 2573#46369]
who you talking to .. i deleted nothing.
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 08:39:22 [item 2573#46371]
Whoever did delete it. I don’t care if it is you or Mark. I don’t extend that right and will enforce that if needed.  
TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 08:42:21 [item 2573#46374]
why would you want to prevent mark from deleting his own shit?
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 08:45:52 [item 2573#46377]
Well, not to be mean, but just to be frank. It really is none of your business.
TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 08:49:34 [item 2573#46380]
sure it is the business of the Wizzard of this domain.  in this domain people have always been permitted to delete their own comments and items.  regardless of what group they are writing in.   that is a fb1 right from the start and it has served us well. 
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 08:53:59 [item 2573#46384]
Then you are a tyrant, not a wizard. Sticking your nose in things that don’t concern you. I don’t get involved with the seemingly unproductive and usually very long dialogs and interactions you have with Mark. You should not consider it your business to get into mine. You are not my mother.
Seems here as if anything not marked private is anyone’s business to comment on that can see it. Welcome to the Internet , laughing

Seth says
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 08:04:42 [item 2573#46353]
p.s. One way to think of a “gold status” group is that it has achieved “perminate status”. Once gold, a group looses the ability to be renamed or repurposed.
seth of group seth 2016-02-22 08:13:53 [item 2573#46358]
well if it is renamed, then that would break to old alias everywhere on the web … outside of that one should be permitted to rename a group if one actually had such a right assigned.
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 08:17:35 [item 2573#46360]
Well, as I indicated, wizards are allowed to do stupid and poorly considered or informed things. But for the sake of helping wizards of other thinking.domains, it should not be an easy thing to do … just like at FB. There are better ways to handle that in most cases.
TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 08:21:57 [item 2573#46362]
well i agree it shoud not be easy to change a alias of a group.  that should be a social process that is allowed or not within the heirachy. 

same, wizzard thinks, for the internal alias of a person’s name … that is far to easy at the moment. 
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 08:25:19 [item 2573#46363]
Well both are fully configurable by the plugins one would write to sign up, and game, and otherwise participate in the domain. The base system uses only id’s to navigate and function and shows only names in text, and otherwise doesn’t care.

It’s okay for author aliases to change as much as desired because they are not permalinks.  Group names are permalinks.
TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 08:28:06 [item 2573#46364]
well i don’t think it is configured such that a wizzard could take the “auhtor name alias” off of the author profile available to everybody just a click away.   Is it?
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 08:31:16 [item 2573#46365]
Almost. The plugin used for that is now a domain property. So it’s only a plugin away. And that is not a complex plugin, just a dialog. One could take the existing one and remove (or just hide) that field and drop it’s file name into the domain property and it would work.
TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 08:35:13 [item 2573#46368]
hiding it … showing it but not allowing it to be changed … would be my preference.  And, yet, were i to be able to do that now, i would for fastblogit.  then if a person wants to change their name, they could write me or some outher guru here with the right to allow the person to change their name.
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 08:37:59 [item 2573#46370]
Well, when I have my own thinking.domain I will consider it. Right now, that’s a feature I added because I really want it … takes some of the drudgery out of this low level work until I can get back to working on the fun stuff.

And more importantly than that, I need to keep switching names until I find all the bugs. There are still some I have logged that are not yet fixed.
TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 08:40:46 [item 2573#46372]
well give me the feature, and set it such that you have the ability to change your own name.   i promise not to edit your allowance quad to prevent it. 
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 08:44:13 [item 2573#46375]
I am not personally making an extra plugin for that to maintain in the base system. The alias feature is intended to be the norm. You will thank me for that someday no matter what you eventually do here at Fastblogit.

Rather, we should keep developing the plugin system and available extension plugins until they are a library of wizard applicable features. That’s a much better path to follow than duplicating work for an ad-hock feature right now.
TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 08:46:36 [item 2573#46378]
how about putting a pen name feature there on that panel insead of the alis? 
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 08:50:46 [item 2573#46381]
We have been talking about that for a long time now. Pen names are a much more involved feature. They are not just making an alias more difficult to change. Aliases do not function the way pen names should function. Pen names should be controllable on a posting bases (thought, comment, etc) and should be long term, but editable. Pen names should be “burned in”. An alias is not a pen name. If it is changed, even at a longer interval, it will still change everywhere. The Pen Name feature is one to develop someday and more needs to be understood and considered to make it fully work in the most useful way.
TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 08:56:17 [item 2573#46385]
yep we have been over alll of that and the edges should be clear to all.

the only question here is rights and preferences of me the Wizzard of fastblogit.

and i have stated them as they are.
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 09:02:03 [item 2573#46389]
The path I have laid out is for all these features to be controlled through plugin changes. That is a much cleaner way to do things. As you say, it’s like LEGO blocks. We are only starting to have blocks and the ways to put them together, and what we do have is working pretty good so far. Let’s just let this evolve until the block you need is available in the not yet even created lego bin … then you can use it, instead of creating a bastard block just for this one thing right now. I only wanted you to understand how easily these things can be changed and where they would be changed. Not give you a component that is not yet in the set.
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Mark de LA says
words are mostly a touchstone anyway to babble on or Babylon .smug

Mark de LA says
TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 09:01:28 [item 2573#46388]
and a person has the right to delete whatever he chooses in his own blog. 
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 09:03:59 [item 2573#46391]
A person has the right to do anything in they imagine.  Do as thy wilt.
Here, you are crossing a line. You have found one.
As always, do what is most exciting … which I doubt you are doing IMHO. Your following your ilk, not your excitement.
MR of group mark 2016-02-22 09:07:48 [item 2573#46392]
… mind reading as before … laughing such god like powers … laughing I would say following one’s own ilk is what both of you do & it is not a bad thingy : https://www.powerthesaurus.org/ilk (of course words don’t matter anymore ) crying
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 09:11:59 [item 2573#46396]
Well oh wordy one. Does not including IMHO untether one from being accused of being a mind reader in normal common speak? Have you not misread, or misused, your own gauntlet?
Babylon? did that mean anything?

Mark de LA says
TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 09:01:28 [item 2573#46388]
and a person has the right to delete whatever he chooses in his own blog. 
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 09:03:59 [item 2573#46391]
A person has the right to do anything in they imagine.  Do as thy wilt.
Here, you are crossing a line. You have found one.
As always, do what is most exciting … which I doubt you are doing IMHO. Your following your ilk, not your excitement.
TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 09:10:01 [item 2573#46394]
you seem to be mixing real world philosophy with the simple rights management of representations we are desigining here. 

all i am saying is that that a person has the right to delete any comment or item or tag that they personally wrote. 

and in their own personal group, they have the right to delete anything … thoughts, comments, tags.   regardless of whether they wrote them or not. 

those things have nothing to do with your loa philosophy and should not be confused with it. 
MR of group mark 2016-02-22 09:11:26 [item 2573#46395]
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nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 09:14:02 [item 2573#46397]
Of course. But I do not extend the right to Marks food being deleted. Both of you knew that before, now you know it for sure. If it is not your business, don’t get involved.
I have no trouble deleting my own food – I had a nice dump of the depleted organic material this morning – you can use it as MRE if you like . rose

Mark de LA says
TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 09:01:28 [item 2573#46388]
and a person has the right to delete whatever he chooses in his own blog. 
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 09:03:59 [item 2573#46391]
A person has the right to do anything in they imagine.  Do as thy wilt.
Here, you are crossing a line. You have found one.
As always, do what is most exciting … which I doubt you are doing IMHO. Your following your ilk, not your excitement.
TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 09:10:01 [item 2573#46394]
you seem to be mixing real world philosophy with the simple rights management of representations we are desigining here. 

all i am saying is that that a person has the right to delete any comment or item or tag that they personally wrote. 

and in their own personal group, they have the right to delete anything … thoughts, comments, tags.   regardless of whether they wrote them or not. 

those things have nothing to do with your loa philosophy and should not be confused with it. 
MR of group mark 2016-02-22 09:11:26 [item 2573#46395]
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nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 09:14:02 [item 2573#46397]
Of course. But I do not extend the right to Marks food being deleted. Both of you knew that before, now you know it for sure. If it is not your business, don’t get involved.
TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 09:17:41 [item 2573#46400]
except mark has the right to delete what you call his “food” if he actually has that right here.   eg, if he can quote comment on a thread and thereby own it, he can delete it.   that is just the way the system works now.   right, nathan?
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 09:20:49 [item 2573#46401]
Yes, that is how the system works. That does not mean it is your business though. What I do and say directly to Mark is our business. Neither Mark nor I brought you into this business.
N seems to think he can tell you what your business is or not … laugh weird right sounds like censorship at it’s ugliest or at least role reversal of being your father … laughing

Seth says
TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 09:01:28 [item 2573#46388]
and a person has the right to delete whatever he chooses in his own blog. 
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 09:03:59 [item 2573#46391]
A person has the right to do anything in they imagine.  Do as thy wilt.
Here, you are crossing a line. You have found one.
As always, do what is most exciting … which I doubt you are doing IMHO. Your following your ilk, not your excitement.
TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 09:10:01 [item 2573#46394]
you seem to be mixing real world philosophy with the simple rights management of representations we are desigining here. 

all i am saying is that that a person has the right to delete any comment or item or tag that they personally wrote. 

and in their own personal group, they have the right to delete anything … thoughts, comments, tags.   regardless of whether they wrote them or not. 

those things have nothing to do with your loa philosophy and should not be confused with it. 
MR of group mark 2016-02-22 09:11:26 [item 2573#46395]
?
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 09:14:02 [item 2573#46397]
Of course. But I do not extend the right to Marks food being deleted. Both of you knew that before, now you know it for sure. If it is not your business, don’t get involved.
TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 09:17:41 [item 2573#46400]
except mark has the right to delete what you call his “food” if he actually has that right here.   eg, if he can quote comment on a thread and thereby own it, he can delete it.   that is just the way the system works now.   right, nathan?
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 09:20:49 [item 2573#46401]
Yes, that is how the system works. That does not mean it is your business though. What I do and say directly to Mark is our business. Neither Mark nor I brought you into this business.
TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 09:26:38 [item 2573#46405]
no problem … i usually totally ignore you two doing your rwg.

on my blog however, if it obstructs the way i want my thoughts to progress, and i can’t tolerate it, i will delete it.   that is one of the principles that have  been working here at fastblogit. 

i have no desire to change that principle.
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 09:29:48 [item 2573#46406]
You say “your blog”. Is not “your blog” group seth? Do you consider the whole domain your blog?
nope, just group seth … or any other group in which i am the only person who knows the password.

Si says
I don’t use roles Mark. I become what I am.

Mark de LA says
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 09:21:59 [item 2573#46402]
How would you know what MRE is Mark?
MR of group mark 2016-02-22 09:24:30 [item 2573#46404]
meals ready to eat – was in the ‘Nam war
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 09:31:24 [item 2573#46408]
That is clearly not the reason you used that term here. I know you have heard it here, but you would not know what it means here, even if Seth attempted to explain it to you, because even Seth is often unclear about what it means.
WOW ! again trying to read a mind you can only hallucinate access to.  I used it as “meals ready to eat” to say humorously eat shit! I don’t know any other meaning for the acronym. 

Mark de LA says
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 09:37:25 [item 2573#46413]
That’s exactly right. You don’t. Now you know why I said that.
haven’t a clue your royal obscureness 

Seth says
TheWizzard of group seth 2016-02-22 09:32:11 [item 2573#46409]
if others know the password for a gorup, then they share the right to delete … simple.  it then becomes a social issue between them whether something should be  deleted or not.  
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 09:35:22 [item 2573#46411]
Okay. I lost where that was going. When Mark has hungry egos and goes out hunting for food with them and I respond, I have made it clear that I do that for my reasons and I would like you to stay out of it, that’s all I am saying.

As to this instance, I’m not sure how you are involved anymore.  
okay … yes this would be exactly the kind of social process that i am talking about.   people with equal rights in a group arrange between them what people should, or should not do.   perfect thumbs up


for the record,  i did not get involved  here in your games with mark … and still am not involved in them.  we started talking about this when you shouted about not deleting marks food and i told you that it was not me. 

Mark de LA says
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 09:42:19 [item 2573#46415]
Mentograph it. You will get it. I have faith in your powers of divination.
not playing your silly little stinkfinger game any longer thumbs down

Mark de LA says
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 09:49:17 [item 2573#46418]
Done feeding? Good. I have other things to do anyway.

Are you sure though? Nothing else look like something you want to respond to?
done with the RWG yet? laughing

Seth says
however when i have access to them, i frequently follow other people’s ego games.   i am studying such, and others games shed light on my own.  

three way ego games are quite complex …  they are variations on group behavior.  we all could tell tales of that.  might even be interesting.

Mark de LA says
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-22 09:54:17 [item 2573#46421]
Apparently not. Only a hungey ego has a burning need to have the last word.
http://www.fastblogit.com/item/18714 – part time LOA is as silly as part-time Christians just MRE.

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