zodiac

  Source for the 12 points of view of philosophy borrowed from this book.

There are also 7 planetary moods to discover as well. See the book.



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Mark de LA says
1796 - #40,4 - 67-3-3-12-12-12 Mon "The truth appears & discloses itself only to one who knows how to look at things from all sides; just as the SUN passes through all twelve signs of ZODIAC to illuminate the EARTH from twelve different viewpoints, so correct thinking penetrates NATURE justifiably only from twelve VAI."
 
So, just for fun, what are the twelve different ways to look at who Obama is as a person who wants to be the next president of the U.S.A. ? The 12 points of view of philosophy are in the 4th ring from the center in the diagram above.

Mark de LA says
choy 2008-03-24 14:40:42 9629

Mark de LA says
Pneuma (inspiration, breathing)-Aquarius & Monad (self-full, connectivity) Sagittarius are the hardest to understand.  Virgo- phenomena is like Zen without the intuition - i.e.. no grok. Capricorn is mostly spirit or being.  The Ideal to the Real forms a spectrum perpendicular to the spectrum from Material to Spiritual. The others in between are gradual metamorphoses of these perpendicular endpoints. 

Mark de LA says
This might be a bit much for you folks, however revealing & enlightening the rewards might be.  I speculate you couldn't look at yourselves from twelve points of view, let alone someone you don't even know.


Mark de LA says
seth 2008-03-25 08:28:28 3163
Doug Lenat ,of Cyc fame, wrote a paper called The Dimensions of Context-space which you might find interesting in this regard.  Of course his 12 classes are noting like your Zodiac.
Ariostotle's 10 categories has similar purposes.  The zodiac categories are from the point of view of philosophy.  One might get somewhere by dividing the spectrum of politics similarly.

Seth says
Yep there are as many different breakdowns of context (or thing) as there are people breaking it down.  It is all in the eye of the beholder - none of classification is objective.   That's why when i think of context i think of the enclosing physical marks as the context of any particular mark.   While determining what exactly is surrounding a mark is still somwhat subjective ... it is quite a bit less so than interperting meaning.  

Mark de LA says
... & my zen master used to say "context is a distinction" giving things a nested effect.  The zodiac method of points of view of philosophy is rather balanced equally amongst the categories; unlike dividing the universe into peanut butter and

Mark de LA says
seth 2008-03-25 14:55:46 3163
seth 2008-03-25 10:24:52 3163
... when i think of context i think of the enclosing physical marks as the context of any particular mark.   While determining what exactly is surrounding a mark is still somwhat subjective ... it is quite a bit less so than interperting meaning.  
Here is my definition of context from above.
What in your would is a mark?  Are you talking about some schema or written text ?

Mark de LA says
seth 2008-03-25 11:04:09 3163
Seems to me that point of view is quite a different thing than context.  Point of view is an subjective interpertation, context is a physical surrounding.  To me, lumping those two is confusion.
In the sense that a point of view provides a background one sees an object within that would be a context. I am thinking of point of view in the objective sense.


Seth says
I'm not really niggling, nor am i trying to be right at your expense of being wrong.  Your Zodiac is a fine classification of ways to view a subject.  Don't get that confused with what i am saying.  What i am saying is that most researchers of AI and language who have tried to do things with the concept called "context", have come up with a practical way to define it.  As such it is quite a different thing than point of view.   Who knows, if you try to understand this definition of context, you may actually find it as useful as have I.

Mark de LA says
seth 2008-03-25 13:23:33 3163
choy 2008-03-25 13:10:21 3163
seth 2008-03-25 11:47:51 3163
source: M above
In the sense that a point of view provides a background one sees an object within that would be a context. I am thinking of point of view in the objective sense.
Then your viewpoint is what i would call "subjective context".  To me, the term "point of view in the objective sense"  is a contradiction in terms.
Obviously, you are stuck!  If I take a photograph of a duck in a pond from the four points of the compass, they will probably each look different, but one can say in truth that one is a picture in the context of the North, South, East & West and the pictures will have little to do with subjectivity. 
True ... if you record the marks around the duck in a photograph you are recording the physical context of the duck.  Now how do you connect that example to the 12 points of the Zodiac above? How could groking the spirit of the duck (Capricorn) ever be objective?
 They are philosophical points of view, all of which have a definition not subject to your personal niggling.  Read the book mentioned it has struck me for many years as a beautiful description of the subject.  Whether you call them by the names of the Zodiac or just simply from the philosophical classification it doesn't really alter the results. 
 BTW, Scorpio is assigned to dynamics & Virgo to phenomena with you and I as great examples of these respective, but perpendicular flavors.


Mark de LA says
seth 2008-03-25 14:21:20 3163
I'm not really niggling, nor am i trying to be right at your expense of being wrong.  Your Zodiac is a fine classification of ways to view a subject.  Don't get that confused with what i am saying.  What i am saying is that most researchers of AI and language who have tried to do things with the concept called "context", have come up with a practical way to define it.  As such it is quite a different thing than point of view.   Who knows, if you try to understand this definition of context, you may actually find it as useful as have I.
& yet you haven't defined it at all!  My Zen master, with whom I agree, makes clear two things.  A distinction & a context. The context is just another distinction which is the way you hold (in your mind) something.  A distinction is simply the way in which you separate out something in your perception (internal & external) for your attention & cognition.  Objective reality is such a context within which you might say that a piece of wood made into what you call a chair might be held.  There "really" isn't a chair there, but in the context & with the distinctions you have made you may see one.


Mark de LA says
seth 2008-03-25 20:02:34 3163
M 2008-03-25 16:38:58 3163
seth 2008-03-25 14:55:46 3163
seth 2008-03-25 10:24:52 3163
... when i think of context i think of the enclosing physical marks as the context of any particular mark.   While determining what exactly is surrounding a mark is still somwhat subjective ... it is quite a bit less so than interperting meaning.  
Here is my definition of context from above.
What in your would is a mark? 

A mark can be any physical manifestation ... it could be a animal track, a stroke of a Chinease character, the letter M in Helvetica type, or a phonem sounded, or a word spoken.  It is a term in semiotics.  It is the "Yojo" in the semiotic triangle to the left which represents the sign for a cat.  We refer to the marks that we make in the world, no matter the media, to sign ... to signal ... to communicate.


 so where did you bury the context thingy. 

Mark de LA says
In a sense, probably within the planetary mood of gnosticism, an individual life is a distinction within the infinite variety of human beings in the context of karma .


Mark de LA says
seth 2008-03-26 04:27:58 3163
source: M asks
 so where did you bury the context thingy.
... again ...
seth 2008-03-25 10:24:52 [item 3163]
... when i think of context i think of the enclosing physical marks as the context of any particular mark.   While determining what exactly is surrounding a mark is still somwhat subjective ... it is quite a bit less so than interperting meaning.  
The mark "n" in the word "think" is surrounded by the marks "thi_k" and they form it's context in that word.  Similarly with the word "think" in the sentence "when i think of context i think of the enclosing physical marks as the context of any particular mark.".  And so on up to paragraphs and dialogues etc.   So that all of the sounds around Barack's words "a typical white person" that you hear here are the true context of Obama's utterance.
What you've said is pretty useless & equivalent to "that which is IS" . The event or thing or whatever you are talking about has the whole Universe as it's context. It is fairly true, but does not lead to meaning or cognition. I also suggest that you really don't think that way.
  

Seth says
source: M above
What you've said is pretty useless & equivalent to "that which is IS" . The event or thing or whatever you are talking about has the whole Universe as it's context. It is fairly true, but does not lead to meaning or cognition. I also suggest that you really don't think that way.
Mark, it's just a definition.  Nowhere have i said that this practical definition of context would "lead to meaning or cognition" or that is says anything about the "way" we think.  Cheeze, if you were less anxious to pronounce your judgements, we might actually be able to have a conversation.

Mark de LA says
M 2008-05-11 22:13:56 3163
A good example of context in ontology is "objective reality" - something exists outside ourselves.
Zen is more about consciousness which is also hard to grasp & is much more than simply awareness.

Mark de LA says
nor am I !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mark de LA says
Here is a clue: 714 is a principle which can be implemented in many different ways. If you also have the principle of liberty or freedom you will not implement it in a law or bunch of governmental regulations (as liberals would try to do).  You might try something like Algore has done with his inconvenient lies & travel around the country with movies, lectures & discussion groups.

Seth says
M 2008-05-11 08:36:31 3163
M 2008-05-11 08:25:29 3163
I am going to remove the shit about Obamma off of this node as off-topic to the Zodiac. If you want it Seth, you should recreate it somewhere else.
It was a good discussion (the Obama part) which, simply put, belongs somewhere else. I groked this morning that your definition of context is from the point of view of linguistics & language and my definition is from the point of view of zen & ontology.

Ok i moved what i felt had any value to 10046

But it's almost impossible to move this kind of dialogue and preserve all of its original context and have every message mean what it originally meant to the original readers and writers.  And that in itself should tell you volumes about the actual nature of context ... my kind of context.  Context is not just about language, it is about  meaning.  It is about the meaning of every mark (effect) that you make in this life.  In a way it is just the old addage:  you had to have been there.

I have no idea what you mean by a definition of context from the point of view of zen and ontology.  For me that is talking about a different word.  It is as if you are talking about a different concept.

Mark de LA says
Perhaps I should have moved the Zodiac from the body of the item & left the rest to politics & arguing about context. I may yet do that.
I am confident of what context is in the domain of zen-ontology. Ontology is a context - it is the study of being & existence (some call that a metaphysical pursuit) - I like ontology or zen better. My experience of zen is not metaphysical & is more the opposite of metaphysical. Meaning & semantics, OTOH, is a lot harder to grasp & is much more individualized.


Mark de LA says
Interesting discussion on facebook on the zodiac & chakras:
https://www.facebook.com/john.ayre.7/posts/120539874784317


Mark de LA says

Seth says
Einai 2014-06-09 08:35:26 3163
seth 2014-06-09 08:09:51 3163
MR 2013-01-18 08:20:18 3163
Interesting discussion on facebook on the zodiac & chakras:
https://www.facebook.com/john.ayre.7/posts/120539874784317



i think this is what happens when you point to items and then delete them.  How do we ever get the interest ever again?  Too bad we cannot, it is gone except perchance as showdows in the great mind of mark.
You are probably not friends with
John Ayre - it workd 4 me

ok, good to know ... i think Facebook's message could be have been a bit clearer.  perhaps they are being a bit coy about not disclosing whether anything was ever there.  now i wonder what message yhou would get were that it had been deleted.





Seth says

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