Chicken Little

About: cnn.com - be worried, be very worried - mar 26, 2006

There were Ice Ages & Warming Periods in the past - geologists can verify that. And, if you believe in Noah & the flood - the Earth was once very flooded.  Now Times/CNN is playing Chicken Little to affect politics.  The national meterologists can't predict the weather in my neighborhood accurately (nor keep it straight in the various displays from TV to their own website in terms of temperature highs & lows, snow or rain) so I will begin to worry when an iceberg comes sliding into my own neighborhood.   See also Junk Science's global thermometer here.  This is a snapshot in time . Follow the link for the actual one.






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Seth says
source: The Collapse of the Perito Moreno
This glacier wants you dead. It wants to come out and crush you under billions of tons of ice, carve its name into your face, and maraud out into the plains of Patagonia until it reaches the sea. You don't have to go into the mountains looking for the Perito Moreno - it's coming out of the mountains to look for you. It wants to come over there and mess you up good.

There are many sides to this global warming story.  I think that doing what is in our best interests (in any case ... such as developing renewable energy sources) cannot be faulted.  If that development slows the imbalance of the planet in several decades, then so much the better.


Mark de LA says
See how many emotionally charged words show up in the first few paragraphs - we should refer this to group UnhackTheBrain as a wonderful example of yellow journalism.:

planet takes ill
heat waves
Massuve glacial melts
climate seems to be crashing around us

climate systems are booby-trapped 
slow creep of environmental decay
sudden self-perpetuating collapse
THAT's JUST HAPPENING NOW ??????

Read it for yourself you will be frightened and amazed how many red herrings are dragged thru the muck of journalism in such a short amount of space!

Mark de LA says
I have been in favor of renewable energy & doing nice things with the planet including biodynamic farming for a long time. On the other hand the new Communism wants to control your behavior & mind as well as mine as a backdoor way of destroying capitalism all in the name of Environmentalism. Some of the worse pollutors are in the former Soviet Union & China. Do you really think that humans can destroy something that Gaia doesn't want destroyed?
Thanks for the picture it looks like the front end of that planet gobbling spaceship in an early StarTrek episode ! (;-))

Mark de LA says
The neat trick is to explain that while these cycles including those of the Sun have been happining long before the industrial revolution that NOW humans are causing it all!

Mark de LA says
More Chicken Little :- interesting discussion on Slashdot of Global Warming & the population explosion here.  I thought the population explosion was what suicide bombers do ,  Maybe a few well placed nukes in India & China would help while cooling the planet !  


Mark de LA says
For all you idiots & materialistic scientists in far left part of the social spectrum get this:  THERE IS NO PURPOSE FOR THE EARTH WITHOUT HUMANS.  WITHOUT HUMANS THE EARTH IS JUST ANOTHER ROCK OF CRAP LEFT OVER FROM THE SO-CALLED BIG BANG!  


Mark de LA says
seth 2006-04-08 12:47:18 3167
M 2006-04-08 10:32:53 3167
For all you idiots & materialistic scientists in far left part of the social spectrum get this:  THERE IS NO PURPOSE FOR THE EARTH WITHOUT HUMANS.  WITHOUT HUMANS THE EARTH IS JUST ANOTHER ROCK OF CRAP LEFT OVER FROM THE SO-CALLED BIG BANG! 
Sounds like a good rationalization for carleless greed to rape the planet.  Like, dude, what if there were no whales?  Keep with that kind of attitude and that is the kind of world you will be living in. 
Nope! nothing could be farther from the truth!  It's the left-wing that would like to get rid of all the people & look at an Earth without any people on it as if that is the way it really should be. I'm for taking care of it in a balanced way. All those that are for reducing the population artificially like with abortion & sterilization (think China) should first consider tying their own penises in knots and maybe going out in a field somewhere & autocomposting themselves.

Mark de LA says
M 2006-04-10 09:53:19 3167
From the UK some people & scientists come to their senses & publish about the hype. [Here: uri http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/04/09/do0907.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/04/09/ixworld.html]


Seth says
source: data visualizations
an interactive network visualization that shows the links between Exxon (the world's biggest oil company) money & some of the loudest climate sceptics being quoted in the media. developed for Greenpeace with the assistance of the they rule application. the visualization contains dossiers & fact sheets for each organization & person with a description, history, staff bios, quotes, deeds & hidden affiliations.
designed as a tool for journalists, researchers & policy makers, this application can be used to research the links between climate sceptic groups & how much funding they get from ExxonMobil. searches can be made on organisations & individuals, cross-referencing automatically with other groups & individuals.

...


Mark de LA says
Should do the same for the vested interest that so-called scientists (many of whom are not climatologists) have in finding global warming (amongst the natural causes like the sun & natural cycles of the earth !) Recently there has come to light that we have a lot more to fear from global cooling .  The weather people can't even predict with a > 50% accuracy when it will snow in my home town!
Anyway read this article in the WSJ for more interesting stuff on the subject.


Mark de LA says
M 2006-04-08 10:32:53 3167
For all you idiots & materialistic scientists in far left part of the social spectrum get this:  THERE IS NO PURPOSE FOR THE EARTH WITHOUT HUMANS.  WITHOUT HUMANS THE EARTH IS JUST ANOTHER ROCK OF CRAP LEFT OVER FROM THE SO-CALLED BIG BANG!  

BTW, If you can find some humans (I'll even settle for humanoids) somewhere else I'll take this back !

Mark de LA says
OOPS! More of the same shit in Slashdot - read this & the comments today.


Mark de LA says
M 2006-06-08 13:27:45 3673
M 2006-06-08 13:26:29 3673
Well, OK I'll ignore it. It's not the thing I want to sort thru online. google global warming records about 88,900,000 items. I suppose there are a few million more just on paper. The ratio of number of people who profit from there being a crisis versus the number who don't is very staggering - not to mention the left side of the isle who profits most. The left would control as much of what people do as possible like:                                (libertarians & conservatives are for individual responsibility)
  • what kind of car you drive & what kind of gasoline or fuel of other variety.
  • what kind of foods you can grow & eat
  • how much you can drive
  • where you can live (stack em high in cities dont let em out in the country).
  • where you can go
  • how fat you can be
  • keep humans out of the forest & trees & pristine areas
  • don't touch the animals (even though they eat eachother)
& finally, it's all the human's fault & especially American's - get rid of the humans & all the problems will go away.
Man can't even turn a hurricane nor a tornado. Man can't even tell you where one is going until it's obvious. What arrogance to think that Man can destroy God's finest creation. Cultivite a sense of Gaia within in your own hearts & spirits & care for your part of the world & I will do what I can in my small part of it for however long that part is entrusted to my care!


Mark de LA says
There is also an arrogance that thinks you can find some semblance of unbiassed research in this area as an outsider to climatology & meterology.  google global warming is unfathomable 89 meg of items. That is probably 3/4 opinion & maybe some science. Of the science how much does the science depend upon there being global warming to continue the research ? How much is a scientist ostracized if he finds stuff contrary to the politically correct theme of the day?  How much is he ostracized for even looking in certain places ? What are the effects of Volcanoes & Sun Spots along side what man does. How much does a movie by AlGore (An Inconvenient Truth) affect public opinion; was it fact or fiction? Is he just trying to whip up the left base to nominate him for president again ? He was caught in ~ 50 verifiable lies (including his inventing of the internet)  during the 2000 campaign - are you ready to  believe his movie with that track record ? It was so bad that his name has been  removed from movie posters according to the Drudge Report


Mark de LA says
I haven't said that we are not in a warming cycle now. What I am against is the AlGore hype! There once was an Ice Age & now there is not (good thing for us!) There will be one again.  The North pole was once green according to something I read recently. That would be a warming period presumably. The climate has cycles like most everything in the Universe. It is the meaning & panic I hear in the interpretation of the science that bothers me. When I get that much Chicken Little I ask "who benefits" & what are the politics of the science involved. The study & running Global thermometer in this item seened on even keel.  You have not presented any scientific facts, just a belief that the IPCC is a good authority. Where do they stick the thermometer? How many? What does it mean to average the readings? Is a change in the readings statistically significant or just within range of errors? What criteria will you use to tell that a climatologist or metrologist is unbiassed? Follow the money!  Trace the money funding in universities & private research labs & find out who is funding the research.  What is the funder's  bias? How much of the hype is from those who may have a  PhD but only in an unrelated field ? AlGore definitely has an axe to grind; who is speaking out that doesn't have one? Certainly not Barbara Streisand - a well known NON-scientist. What affects global warming that is NOT man-made ? What is the relative power of these other causes? I have heard that volcanoes (we have a lot of eruptions in this time) have an effect that is greater than all that man has put out in the last few years with just one eruption. How about sun spots? What about the shift in the Earth's magnetic field? How about:  Sun spots? Bovine Flatulence? Why has the ozone hole started to close when everyone was panicking a few years about people causing the destruction of it so that the earth's atmosphere would get lost in space? 
I suppose it would be fun to collect all the argments together, but I think you will find that you will always have to trust someone else's research and by the time you are through you will need several servers more to support the research.

Seth says

Well if you read carefully you will see where Dr William Gray asserts "we have had global warming. That

Seth says
source: Stephen Hawkings quoted by KVOA News
But Hawking then said he's very worried about global warming. He said he's afraid that Earth "might end up like Venus, at 250 degrees centigrade and raining sulfuric acid."
I quote this here, just for the record and for those here and in the press who quoted Hawkings words about going into space as indicating his disinterest in global warming being a hoax.  I think we can trust that scientist know how to read scientists.  But what happens is that politicians, reporters, and relegious zealots garbel their messages. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2006-06-21 08:45:31 3167
source: Stephen Hawkings quoted by KVOA News
But Hawking then said he's very worried about global warming. He said he's afraid that Earth "might end up like Venus, at 250 degrees centigrade and raining sulfuric acid."
I quote this here, just for the record and for those here and in the press who quoted Hawkings words about going into space as indicating his disinterest in global warming being a hoax.  I think we can trust that scientist know how to read scientists.  But what happens is that politicians, reporters, and relegious zealots garbel their messages. 
Nobody here quoted Hawkings wrong, - not me anyway.  The funny thing is that Hawkings is great at astrophysics, but as a metrologist or climatologist he is questionable.  We don't as yet know over what time frame he is talking about.  Our Sun will supernova someday but, not within my current lifetime. The fun thing about astrophysics is that most of the proof is beyond our reach or is deep in a Gordian Knot of obscure mathematics.  Black holes & dark matter are fun things to postulate, but experimentally unprovable. Who's going to make one in a lab?

Seth says
Well i read some global warming debumker quoting Hawkings message about going into space ... i though it was you ... but perhaps not.  My point is that if you buy that Hawkings is a first class scientist, and if you buy that scientist can evaluate scientific articles, then it is reasonable to take his "worry" on face value.  Only if you can cast scientific doubt on the articles he evaluated or his motives can you actually say anything pertinant about the report.  Like i said several times here, throwing unsupported mud just makes more static that makes it more difficult to get to the real stuff. 

I think the news story for this month should read "There is an explosion of partisan mud throwing in the USA following on the heels of Al Gore's movie An Inconvient Truth".  To wallow in that mud does not help us one iota. To buy into the partisan bickering from either side does not help us one iota.  To throw smart sounding mud at the other side does not help one iota.  But to learn how to read the sience or find people who can teach us ... that might help. 


Seth says
.. and just in case you think i made up the bit about Hawkings, here is another blog that is quoting the rightist spin on what Hawkings actually said ..
source: Red State, Blue State, My Fate, Your Fate ...
And considering that Stephen Hawking has just told us that we better get our butts in gear and start figuring out how to colonize the moon and Mars (new orbs to screw up?)
... sorry i don't know who started the spin, but i will bet $20 that it was not Hawkings. 

BTW, Hawkings idea of getting into space is, imho, a good idea .  Mankind should be able to trancend the Earth, and if it does not, then it will probably perish.   It is time we started thinking that way.   But that does not militate against caring for our Earth while we have it.  As Beth says, "But just in case the planet is going to stick around for another few thousand years, we should take care now, since, as the saying goes, we're not inheriting it from our ancestors but borrowing it from our children."



Seth says
Here is another example of how people spin your comments ...
source: SYLVIA HUI, Associated Press Writer Tue Jun 13 quoting Hawkings

"We won't find anywhere as nice as Earth unless we go to a nother star system,"  ...

Hawking said that if humans can avoid killing themselves in the next 100 years, they should have space settlements that can continue without support from Earth.

"It is important for the human race to spread out into space for the survival of the species," Hawking said. "Life on Earth is at the ever-increasing risk of being wiped out by a disaster, such as sudden global warming, nuclear war, a genetically engineered virus or other dangers we have not yet thought of."

Note (below) that GrrScientist quotes the article (above) and then spins it into absurbity ... i have bloded and italizized the redicolous  stuff
source: GrrlScientist June 14th
I like Stephen Hawking, but someone needs to have a little chat with him because today's comments are simply ridiculous. In fact, his comments make me wonder why humans won't do the right thing for a change, by doing what is necessary now to avert disaster on earth, our only home, instead of following Hawking's suggestion to evacuate the planet? It disgusts me to know that some people -- yes, even scientists, who should know better! -- think it is acceptable behavior to abandon earth after we have finished trashing the place

i think it would be fair for Hawkings to get a chance to respond to this redicolous spin.  Please, people, do not quote people out of context and then extrapolating from that accuse them of thinking exactly what they did not think at all.  We call that google intellectual dishonesty .




Seth says

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