Dualism

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Seth says
M 2006-03-27 12:57:09 3174
seth 2006-03-27 12:54:03 3174
M 2006-03-27 12:49:14 3174
M 2006-03-27 12:48:38 3174
I'm trying to find something new here.  This might have been an interesting topic for the group philosophy.  Unfortunately it looks to me like a mashup of Monism+Nominalism. 

I'm not sure what "here" points to for you, nor what "it" refers to.  For me this is all a review, nothing new has cropped into my philosophy from reading Representationalism.

O, $here=$it=this item=3174 and whatever the item is pointing to.
Do you not see a radical difference between the diagram in 3174 and the diagram in the body of 3172 ? To me these diagrams are functionally different.  So that, for me,  is what is new between them.

Seth says
M 2006-03-27 12:49:14 3174
M 2006-03-27 12:48:38 3174
I'm trying to find something new here.  This might have been an interesting topic for the group philosophy.  Unfortunately it looks to me like a mashup of Monism+Nominalism. 

I'm not sure what "here" points to for you, nor what "it" refers to.  For me this is all a review, nothing new has cropped into my philosophy from reading Representationalism.

Mark de LA says
seth 2006-03-27 12:54:03 3174
M 2006-03-27 12:49:14 3174
M 2006-03-27 12:48:38 3174
I'm trying to find something new here.  This might have been an interesting topic for the group philosophy.  Unfortunately it looks to me like a mashup of Monism+Nominalism. 

I'm not sure what "here" points to for you, nor what "it" refers to.  For me this is all a review, nothing new has cropped into my philosophy from reading Representationalism.

O, $here=$it=this item=3174 and whatever the item is pointing to.

Mark de LA says
M 2006-03-27 12:51:43 3174
M 2006-03-27 12:49:14 3174
M 2006-03-27 12:48:38 3174
I'm trying to find something new here.  This might have been an interesting topic for the group philosophy.  Unfortunately it looks to me like a mashup of Monism+Nominalism. 
Monism is the metaphysical and theological view that all is of one essential essence, principle, substance or energy.
Nominalism is the position in metaphysics that there exist no universals outside of the mind.
These are from The Wikipedia
Representationalism, or the representational theory of perception, is a philosophical doctrine that in any act of perception, the immediate (direct) object of perception is a sense-datum that represents an external object, which is the mediate (indirect) object of perception.  
Which sounds a lot like Dualism - I don't really like the Wikipedia's def of dualism though.

Seth says
M 2006-03-27 13:06:46 3174
The diagram above is more dualistic. If you click & view image of the colored spot you have the zen perspective.

Interesting that you would say that.  For me this picture is the zen perspective.  It asserts, imho, that the brain processess of perception are the same identical thing as the subjective experience.  Gestalting that is the zen of it.  I actually remember where i was when i first gestalted that ... it was almost a visceral thing.  Now, before you jump up and down saying that they must not be the same because they don't feel the same and that the neurologist will never get to the same experience that his subjects experience, no matter how good the instuments.  But remember the difference can be explained by the point of view.  Daa .. brain processess feel different to the brain experienceing them than to any other boundary you may choose.

Mark de LA says
seth 2006-03-28 06:22:43 3174
M 2006-03-27 21:27:24 3174
& then there is this .... brain cells fused wuth computer chip  consciousness on a chip maybe ?  but then representationalism does not necessarily account for consciousness.    
you reference above doesnt work
Well try this one uri http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12037941/

Mark de LA says
M 2006-03-28 06:49:24 3174
I think I was postulating that if consciousness is just a factor of brain cells & you can fuse brain cells with computer chips then maybe the computer can become conscious.


Seth says

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