FEMA Senate Report - disband ?

About: the seattle times: nation & world: senate report: dismantle fema

This topical depression last night spun into a topical news-storm  this morning as the Senate report is rumored to be released today.  It may be a cat-5 (in the image of Katrina) by the close of the news cycle on Friday as more people read & discuss what's there. The potential to do damage to the administration over Katrina is ripe !
Google has opened this AM with 440 stories on this one.  There are over 6900 stories indexed in Google on FEMA and 47,200 on Katrina as of this bulletin.

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  1. fema
  2. katrina

Comments


Mark de LA says
Note to self: the measuring the importance of a story may not be the number of stories repeating the theme in Google - Tom Cruise's-Katy Holmes baby has 4220 entries.


Mark de LA says
Note to the  : is there a [googlenews xxxxxx] in our future ?


Mark de LA says
google tom cruise baby test to see if we need a googlenews

Mark de LA says
M 2006-04-27 06:38:34 3413
google tom cruise baby test to see if we need a googlenews
Apparently we do. There is 206,000 entries in google on that topic.

Seth says
M 2006-04-27 06:37:29 3413
Note to the  : is there a [googlenews xxxxxx] in our future ?

how would that one work ?

Mark de LA says
seth 2006-04-27 06:46:27 3413
M 2006-04-27 06:37:29 3413
Note to the  : is there a [googlenews xxxxxx] in our future ?

how would that one work ?
well, somehow it would have to feed the xxxxxx into the google news port instead of the general google port.  I went to google.com and clicked on the news link and got this:
http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&q=     probably could put the xxxxxx after that.

Mark de LA says
This could lend to automation of the news-weather operation like:
[count: googlenews xxxxxx] = 550
where 1-500 = rain
    501-1000 = sleet
   1001-1500 = topical depression
   1501-2500 = cat-1 tornado or hurricane
   3000-4000 = cat-2
   4500-5000 = cat-3 to cat-5 depending on the length & duration of the stories
      10,000+  = massive protests & insurrections or whatever

(just thinking out loud)


Seth says
M 2006-04-27 06:54:45 3413
seth 2006-04-27 06:46:27 3413
M 2006-04-27 06:37:29 3413
Note to the  : is there a [googlenews xxxxxx] in our future ?

how would that one work ?
well, somehow it would have to feed the xxxxxx into the google news port instead of the general google port.  I went to google.com and clicked on the news link and got this:
http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&q=     probably could put the xxxxxx after that.
i still don't get it ... there is no q parameter in the string ... all i see is a ncl which seems to equal the url of the sample story in the cluster.  trying to get somebody to type that into a wiki reference would just be a mess.  they do have a search that uses the q parameter but it does not yield exact items from the cluster ... [googlenews fema] like this one  ... but note the items that are not pertinant to your current news front.

Seth says
M 2006-04-27 07:41:32 3413
Well here is how to get there:
go to url http://google.com then in the top of the page follow the link News .  This yields the regular Google News page with a uri http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&q= in the address bar.  I suspect you can figure out what to plug in after the "q=" part of it based on the xxxxx in [googlenews xxxxx] wiki reference. I typed in the token "FEMA" after it and got this url http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&q=FEMA which now has about 7000 entries.

yep, that is basically what i did above.  you are just doing a text search of all the news based upon the q=xxxxx argument.  Now check out how many of the results actually belong to the same news cluster ...

Senate Panel Wants FEMA Abolished
Kansas City Channel.com - 40 minutes ago
WASHINGTON -- With the start of the hurricane season about five weeks away, a bipartisan Senate panel is saying THE Federal Emergency Management Agency should be closed down and replaced by a new agency.
FEMA must be rebuilt from scratch, Senate report says The Olympian
Senate panel recommends abolishing FEMA KXAN-TV
ABC News - New York Times - CNN - BBC News - all 495 related ?



Mark de LA says
Well here is how to get there:
go to url http://google.com then in the top of the page follow the link News .  This yields the regular Google News page with a uri http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&q= in the address bar.  I suspect you can figure out what to plug in after the "q=" part of it based on the xxxxx in [googlenews xxxxx] wiki reference. I typed in the token "FEMA" after it and got this url http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&q=FEMA which now has about 7000 entries.


goldrule says
prolly some hit count on a particular website, eh ?


Seth says
goldrule 2006-04-27 07:51:25 3413
goldrule 2006-04-27 07:50:26 3413
Do you have an explanation for the 495 versus ~7000 ?
Maybe "senate fema abolish" ? How would you enter that ?
You are looking at two totally different things there.  One is just a search via the process behind /news and the parameter q= and the other is a "exact" cluster of articles which has been clustered with some quite sophisticated process behind /nwshp and the parameter ncl=.

Seth says
What i would like to find out is how these news clusters change.  When do they change from one news cluster  (the ncl parameter) to another one ? Me thinks that has something to do with when the news front shifts.  Which articles stay in the same cluster?


goldrule says
goldrule 2006-04-27 07:50:26 3413
Do you have an explanation for the 495 versus ~7000 ?
Maybe "senate fema abolish" ? How would you enter that ?

Seth says
goldrule 2006-04-27 07:51:25 3413
goldrule 2006-04-27 07:50:26 3413
Do you have an explanation for the 495 versus ~7000 ?
Maybe "senate fema abolish" ? How would you enter that ?
The url of the news cluster is what you get when you click on the all 495 related ?.  Get over it!  You can prolly take out all of the parameters except the ncl.  The ncl points to the url encoded version of the example story in the cluster.  .... or at least that is what i suspect without more detailed study. 

Seth says
Take a look at the RSS feed for one of the news clusters ... that pretty much tells you what is going on ...
url http://news.google.com/nwshp?ncl=http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/9027741/detail.html&output=rss


Seth says
My question is how\when did the cluster change from
url http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002955813_fema27.html
to
url http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/9027741/detail.html  ??



Seth says
I'll bet that the <guid isPermaLink="false">tag:news.google.com,2005:cluster=41eda8e4</guid> in the second article on US page about FEMA will remain the same when the ncl changes.  What's your bet?


goldrule says
seth 2006-04-27 08:33:50 3413
I'll bet that the <guid isPermaLink="false">tag:news.google.com,2005:cluster=41eda8e4</guid> in the second article on US page about FEMA will remain the same when the ncl changes.  What's your bet?
unless the second article qualifies to be first.

Seth says
seth 2006-04-27 08:33:50 3413
I'll bet that the <guid isPermaLink="false">tag:news.google.com,2005:cluster=41eda8e4</guid> in the second article on US page about FEMA will remain the same when the ncl changes.  What's your bet?

Yep, ncl just changed, related went from 508 to 511, and cluster stayed cluster=41eda8e4

Seth says
seth 2006-04-27 08:40:11 3413
seth 2006-04-27 08:33:50 3413
I'll bet that the <guid isPermaLink="false">tag:news.google.com,2005:cluster=41eda8e4</guid> in the second article on US page about FEMA will remain the same when the ncl changes.  What's your bet?

Yep, ncl just changed, related went from 508 to 511, and cluster stayed cluster=41eda8e4
Interesting ... cluster id changed to  cluster=41ec9a3f ...  cluster remained the second cluster even though  it had the most recent  time.   since the article count remains substantually the same even though  the ncl changed  (quite a nuber of times),  me thinks it is still the same storm.

Seth says
seth 2006-04-27 08:43:55 3413
goldrule 2006-04-27 08:38:45 3413
seth 2006-04-27 08:33:50 3413
I'll bet that the <guid isPermaLink="false">tag:news.google.com,2005:cluster=41eda8e4</guid> in the second article on US page about FEMA will remain the same when the ncl changes.  What's your bet?
unless the second article qualifies to be first.
i bet the guid will remain the same even when the story qualifies to be first. 
clusters seem to be sorted lifo by the when the last article was published to the cluster.

Seth says
Fema just took over the top position.  It is still a mystery to me how you can identify the cluster.  I can find no reliable identification for it in the data being presented.  Perahps there is a API.  Of course if you track it manually you can see the one news front twerling around and then moving.  There is almost certainly some internal cluster identification being used, but apparently it is not in Google's interest to disclose it.  The guid i was tracking above will change when Google wants the item to reappear in the aggregators ... iow it is Googles signal to reshow it to you.  


Seth says
memeorandum has the gas prices story on top ... which storm didn't even make the Google news US at all ... go figure.  is that a reflection of google or a reflection of where the established media wants to put it's attention ?  


Mark de LA says
seth 2006-04-27 11:12:00 3413
technorati explore has  Senate Votes To Cut Funding For Troops In Iraq and Afghanistan
way up there politically if you manually filter for just politcs.   Me thinks these things are not placed as automatically as these webservices might have people believe ... and there are certainly is not going to be much agreement between services. 
As I understand the story it wasn't a big deal. They started out with a much bloated budget than the last time they voted on Iraq & cut some to do something about one of the other things in the news (which I believe was the border security) which went up to 1.x billion more.

Seth says
technorati explore has  Senate Votes To Cut Funding For Troops In Iraq and Afghanistan
way up there politically if you manually filter for just politcs.   Me thinks these things are not placed as automatically as these webservices might have people believe ... and there are certainly is not going to be much agreement between services. 

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