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I am ashamed and sad to report that i have never discovered an useful fact through an RDF inference. Oh sure, i have seen RDF inferences demonstrated academically ? but i am talking about a fact that i actually used for some purpose which was unknown except that it was uncovered by inference from an automated RDF processor. Has anyone? Can they document how the fact was discovered and how it was actually used.

? if not, is RDF inference not one of the biggest snow jobs ever perpetrated on the web?


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Seth says
after Dan pointed to foaf smushing i needed to clarify
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Actually, Dan and Shelley, i was looking not for an application like foaf where smushing is necessary ... but rather a real example of someone actually finding something that they were looking for and where the fact that they found was inferred and not just typed into a ground fact. Such an real example might look like ... one 3/2/2006 i needed to find a friend of Dan Brinkley who was attending SWSX and was flying from SEA on flight 239, so i just went to my laptop and typed in this query (provided) and came up with Susie Q who i talked with on the flight. Also, please note that you can't just make it up ... it had to really happen ... and sufficient documentation should be provided so that we can fisk it.
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Mark de LA says
Is this what the old man meant when he said "Go fisk yourself !" ? I have been unable to understand his use vis-a-vis the new definition in accordance with the Wikipedia. The closeness of the old man's use of the word to the Norwegian word for fish may have confused me .


Seth says
... Shelley's reaction is to send me the bill
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Shelley, my point is that if RDF inference maps to the null set of practical real world examples, then why spend so much time on it ? rather concentrate on RDF as a medium to record ground facts. I?ve posed this challenge before and nobody has ever met the challenge. If this were a practical thing, these examples would be as common as ass holes. Doesn?t that make your think ? it does me? i mean how many years has RDF Inference been around and still nobody has gotten anything real out of it. And no, LOL, I?m not going to pay you for it ? rather i would require such an example out front before i decided to invest in this vaporal notion.

Mark de LA says
source: ... I think the problem is with logic itself, there just is no way to maintain identity sufficient for useful inference in the wild west of the web period.
... Is this just another logic tirade or are you saying something else ?


Seth says
M 2006-05-01 13:25:45 3440
Maybe, there is just NOT enough of a critical mass of RDF users & providers around to make it practical. I'm sure that big-G didn't start off with a billion webpages when it was first noticed. I'm neither pro nor con, really!  I'm sure there are a few people who could ask "why should I blog & tag my items on fbi when del.icio.us or technocrati has a bigger market ?" and "Has anyone ever found something useful on fbi that they didn't know was there in the first place ?" - i'ts evolution man ! Survival is better said the ....

I think that if a process works,  there will be early examples which prove the concept ... then if it scales, the more people use the process, the more examples pop out.  Lots of people are using RDF now, but nobody (that i know of) has reported discovering information via inference ... no proof of concept has been reported.  Oh sure, lots of researchers have demonstrated examples of inference where they setup all the circumstances and got the correct result ... i mean Tim Berners-Lee's CWM was all the craze several years ago... and it can generate inferences ... but nobody uses these inferences.  Instead, were they to get information out of their RDF stores, they just retrieve the ground facts that were input using SPARQL ... and were we to ask for real world examples of such usage, those examples would show up.

I think the problem is with logic itself, there just is no way to maintain identity sufficient for useful inference in the wild west of the web period.

Seth says
M 2006-05-02 09:34:24 3440
source: ... I think the problem is with logic itself, there just is no way to maintain identity sufficient for useful inference in the wild west of the web period.
... Is this just another logic tirade or are you saying something else ?

we are looking for real world examples where inference worked ... not philosophysing about logic. Forget about RDF ... provide a documented example (see what it might look like above) of where binary inference was used to arrive at a fact that was used ... make sure to include documentation for fisking.

Ravi says
Well, i built a RDf based system, actually a company. it works...when i hear RDF doesn't work, mostly it is a user error. wrong application of the tool. its works well when one has various data types and application using them have difficulty in keeping up with various data types.

RDF inference engine won't solve world's hunger. but in a closed system, could be a very complex, big system like networking - it can turn up interesting results. i have lived it.

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