Political Blogs

About: i would like this capability with threads implementation about: macrovu website - can physical symbol systems think ?

I think fastblogit is ideal for political discussions & interlinking ideas.  One thing that might add to it's facility may be something like the MacroVU argumentation style that uses the links:
& the following:
& maybe some others.
I suppose we could use something like this: 
supported by     1234
& disputed by    1235

but to get popular it might need to get easier - besides one doesn't always know what the item numbers are before they are made & unless you belong to the group you can't edit the item numbers in. This would help in the case that a political blog gets a lot of responses where there are duplicates.  Note these links are not easily formated to show up in a nice place like the bottom of the item screen.

Tags

  1. wiki references
  2. political blogs
  3. politics

Comments


Seth says
This is a good .   I think the best way to implement it is to start doing it more formally.   Decide on a common spelling on your arrows and a precise semantics and use them in the wiki reference label slot.  Example [supported by: tag wiki references] or do you want it to read  [supportedby : title What characters are permitted in tags ?].  Not only should we decide on the precise spelling but the precise semantics.  I would suggest that the label is only correctly applied when it expresses a relationship between the actual topic of the item and designated object.  In other words, even if the label is used in a comment on an item, it must (to be correctly expressed) still be supporting (or not) the actual topic from the point of view of the author of that topic.  It should not be used in a sentence to support the idea in that one sentence or paragraph.  Otherwise it would become unwieldy for determining what it actually means.  This dicipline will mean that to start using these precise labels practically we will need to stay strickly on topic. 

If this catches on, then there is nothing to prevent us from writing a background process that would read the entire content of the item together with it's comments and display a nifty pro/con display at the bottom of each item.   It would be the job of the authors of the items to police the semantics of the arrows applied to their nodes.  If these authors take their job seriously, they will need to insist that comments on their items stay strickly on topic. 


Mark de LA says
Here's another two:  [mark agrees: group mark]  and [mark disagrees: group mark]  etc. to point a person's own personal group.
These tags would might also be the basis for polls. [mark agrees: group mark] that bloggers should rise above the knee-jerk level to serious thinking about what they are saying & what their position is within general argument on a specific topic! 

Seth says
M 2006-06-02 05:36:22 3649
Here's another two:  [mark agrees: group mark]  and [mark disagrees: group mark]  etc. to point a person's own personal group.
These tags would might also be the basis for polls. [mark agrees: group mark] that bloggers should rise above the knee-jerk level to serious thinking about what they are saying & what their position is within general argument on a specific topic! 
i think it would be more like [agree: group seth] which means that seth agrees with the topic. Otherwise you end up with a plethora of arrows like: mark agrees, seth agrees, jason agrees.

Mark de LA says
seth 2006-06-02 05:47:43 3649
M 2006-06-02 05:36:22 3649
Here's another two:  [mark agrees: group mark]  and [mark disagrees: group mark]  etc. to point a person's own personal group.
These tags would might also be the basis for polls. [mark agrees: group mark] that bloggers should rise above the knee-jerk level to serious thinking about what they are saying & what their position is within general argument on a specific topic! 
i think it would be more like [agree: group seth] which means that seth agrees with the topic. Otherwise you end up with a plethora of arrows like: mark agrees, seth agrees, jason agrees.
[agree: group mark]

Mark de LA says
BTW, the original inspiration for this stuff at MacroVU is here. They have, however, had quite a number of years to get webified, but have not done so. The idea is not much more than drawing a flowchart of an argument. I think we have exceeded that idea with wiki references imbedded in text. We now just need to make it easier & neater to follow the argument.


Mark de LA says
My expectation was a more 3D implementation than we have in 3761 - The MacroVU idea on the "Can Machines Think" question is my model to which I add a 3D component via links. I find the method of the rather stilted.  We have found in the last couple of years & 3768 items that this is not the way topics expand & flourish. What is needed is an easier way to expand and reference amongst comments. Another need is an easier way to follow a thread or train of thought - whatever shows up. Tags should do that, but what about tags on comments? Essentially what we are doing with is putting tags on comments, but very crudely.


Seth says
The predicates "is supported by X" and "is disputed by X" are meaningless unless that have subjects.  The data that you are navigating must be of the form "S is supported by X" and "S is disputed by X".   I'm just saying that first we need to be able to idintify what subject is being supported or disputed.    Draw a set of nodes and up/down arrows ... if the up down arrows that come off of a node are not relative to the node but rather are realitive to something  that can only be determined by reading the natural language inside the comment, you have created a mess that will not be any easier to navigate.  

Now it is true that the comments on our nodes do not stay on topic and that they "flourish" to no end ... that is more part of the problem and not something that helps us follow a discussion.  In order to make things easire to follow we need to learn a bit of dicipline.  But we don't need to dicipline all nodes ... just the ones that are tagged into proposition node.   I will continue the experiment; and will follow and enforce that dicipline in that tag room ... you will do what you will. 


Seth says
Notice also that i have imposed the miimum amount of dicipline necessary to make a " " predicate meaningful.  If we cannot learn that minimum amount of dicipline, then we certainly will not be able to learn a finer grained dicipline.   This is a good design principal:  Impose the minimum amount of force necessary at each level of progress.  


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