Ad Hominem in the name of Science

About: a study of global warming: jump list of references

seth 2006-06-15 08:07:28 3708
M 2006-06-15 07:48:04 3708
seth 2006-06-15 07:38:03 3708
exxonsecrets.org Documenting Exxon-Mobil's funding of climate change skeptics. They have a list of organizations purported to be funded by Exxon-Mobile and a flash presentation.  They list Professor Bob Carter who is quoted in Scientists respond to Gore's warnings of climate catastrophe like this.  
I wonder if this meets the scientific criteria only of just the 'kos
Innuendo & ad hominem attacks combined with guilt by association doesn't sound very scientific to me .  I suggest critique of the theories & findings.
Yes, M, fact checking and delving deeper than the surface is a given on this item ... give me a bit of credit.  Please reserve your comments here to just sourced facts, references,  and reasoned arguments about the list.  Minimize your editoral comments and emoticons. The whole point is to cut out that static.  

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Use ad hominem when it suits you.

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  2. globalwarming
  3. coulter
  4. oil

Comments


Mark de LA says
As long as opinions are being included  (Al Gore citation removes any pretense of scientific legitimacy) - you might as well include this honeypot of flamewar possibility from Slashdot.


Seth says
The Slashdot article is almost a Jump List in it's own right.  Perhaps i'll put a section in my jump list to other jump lists.  But this does not really help ... just gives us more literature to sort through.  This is a process like any other process ... you need to apply work to get focused results.  Throwing more shit up against the wall just gives you a shitty wall.


Seth says
Where was the Ad Hominem in my comment?  I was just restating and implementing the rules that apply to that jump list item.  


Mark de LA says
In the cited about menton it would good to begin populating it with scientific nodes.  For example the thought that temperatures are being measured accurately - how is this done? Extrapolation into the past beyond the invention of the thermometer. What validates this. Tree rings ? How do you validate the tree-ring growth? It's a function of water as well as temperature. Has someone taken a tree and watched the rings grow for a sufficiently long time ? Have all the variables been controlled & measured.  How do you measure the tree ring as accurately as a thermometer measures temperature. THere are very accurate thermometers (I believe in the hundredths of a degree) - I suspect there are none in that accuracy range correlated with tree rings or any other indirect phenomena for the past.

Note this is just one node in the scientific network on this subject. Someone who is interested should tease out the others which form the web of scientific data from which the theory of greenhouse gases & global warming has been made out of.

Not one scientific paper has been exposed in this menton yet.

I think that the junkscience themometer is the closest we have come.  Some nodes from that research are what are the 1000 measurement points on the earth & the science used to select them? Why have some stopped transmitting or the data been unavailable. How is that affecting the study etc....

Mark de LA says
seth 2006-06-15 08:57:15 3722
Where was the Ad Hominem in my comment?  I was just restating and implementing the rules that apply to that jump list item.  
the inclusion of a set of who supports whose research is ad hominem (against a person) & not a critique of his research or a paper.  Why not include all who support Algore? Anyway if you want to pretend a scientific inquiry I suggest the item above as a better start.

Mark de LA says
I am all for alternative energy development. I don't think solar cells or windmills all over the place is going to solve the problem. Bio diesel is a nice idea to free us from the middle East, but it still burns stuff. I hope CO2 is not a pollutant because I breathe it out - I don't want to have to keep it in. .  Fuel cells at a neigborhood level sounds like a nice idea. They are built off of heating anhydrides & replenishing the same & generate electricity. Sill a number of years away.  Nuclear energy is clean but we still need to figure out what to do with the spent fuel rods & how to keep them out of the hands of terrorists. I don't think we have explored all there is to magnetism & resonance - that interests me more than the fear of CO2 & steam.


Mark de LA says
The idea that we will run out of oil this century is an interesting panic.  I keep hearing of newly discovered caches of oil - some in this hemisphere.  Who knew that Mexico & Venezuela had so much, Russia too! 
source: ... The new scientific evidence that energy supplies may be vastly greater than previously imagined is only the latest blow to the doomsayers. Such people have been around for 200 years preaching that mankind has reached the limit to growth because we have found all the oil there is to be found. For at least a century, for example, the U.S. Geological Survey has consistently reported that America had only about 10 years worth of oil left.
... see NRO here .  So who's behind that panic.  It certainly raises the price of crude on the world market.  It could turn out that there is plenty for all.  Or perhaps enough until we invent something better to power our civilization.  How about looking into catching lightning in giant leyden jars & then converting to normal electricity:  static->direct->alternating !!!



Seth says
M 2006-06-15 09:23:56 3722
The idea that we will run out of oil this century is an interesting panic.  ... It could turn out that there is plenty for all. 
you'r starting to sound more and more like Ann Coulter ... here, listen to my Ann Coulter doll ... $29.95 at  www.speaktomecatalog.com.

Mark de LA says
try reading the article - I repeat ad hominem doesn't work very well to prove your point.


Seth says
M 2006-06-15 14:29:45 3722
try reading the article - I repeat ad hominem doesn't work very well to prove your point.
M, i've read many many artiles and even whole books on the fact that inevitably we will  running out of oil ... the only question is in which decade production will actually start dropping. Your artilcle does not even come close to informing that  common knowledge.   If so, then please cite specifics. 

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