Global Warming Solutions need to be Cooperative not Adversarial

The global warming situation may also be related to other parts of Gaia - we need an holistic, ecological , non-polarized approach to heal Mother Earth. Treat her as if she were our own mother (she is!)  NAS has just taken her temperature & says that she has a little bit of a fever. It could go higher or it could go lower.  Others say she has strange bunch of chemicals in her bosom some of which are radioactive.  Still other Earth doctors say her waterways are clogged & her temperament erupts in too many violent storms. In a cooperative vein - spoken to be non polarizing - what would you advise an Earth doctor to do about any of this?  Is she heading for a heat stroke or does she just have a mild fever which she can get over in a few years?

If you ever get the view of the Earth from outer space you will notice that everyone on this Earth is quite alone with respect to the vastness of space - We should cooperate, but I don't think it's panic time yet. She won't need life-support for a few millenia.


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  1. room2
  2. global warming
  3. gaia
  4. end of the world
  5. room2-exit

Comments


Mark de LA says
My first inclination , agreeing with my own Gaia characterization of our planet Earth, would be to say "do nothing!" She will do well on her own.  (the Jury is still out on Jesus & the sins bit - I have never looked for that.) But, maybe the doctors of planet Earth need yet to attend to her fragile climate sphere & biosphere - the readings do show some sort of a trend yet not drastic but probable in the direction of forecasting future higher fevers.  Some corrective action may need to be taken now.
There is a third way & that is to choose actions which we know will intuitively bring about good health. We know better than to dump poisons into her aquifers.  Lets not do that.  We know better than to dump poisons into air & upset the balance of gasses that nurture the fauna & flora of body. Lets not do that anymore. Let us strive in every case toward health as we would with our own bodies after a stern warning from our own family doctor. Let us cooperate & find other ways to live in harmony with her.
Can we follow this third way without restriction on our freedoms in the context of capitalism & with our crown of industrial might ? The answer is YES if we lift up our consciousness, NO - if we just live in our everyday unconscious dream sleep lives.


Seth says
Actually getting to the bottom of a proposition requires a dialectical approach.  First we need to figure out what is true ... that requires dialectics .. then when we we are convinced that action is absolutely necessary, we can cooperate on that action.  But Gaia is a giant mother.  She can take care of herself.  Just like a human body she will heal herself.  Have faith in Gaia just as you have faith that Christ will forgive your sins.  These minuscule emissions are nothing compared with the vast oceans, seas, and athmosphere.  What arrogance hath a man who thinks God's creation is quite so fragile that he could destroy it himself.  Let us study the problem further and not rush into any costly investments that may bankrupt our nation.

Seth says
Well i wouldn't call .6 degree a fever ... then too you need to look at the 2nd derivitive of the trend curve ... is the trend steadly increasing, steadly decreasing, or varying all over the place ?   The thing about CO2 is that it is not a poison, as you seem to imply.  No, it is part of life itself ... it is what plants breath.  In fact having more CO2 in the air will probably increase crop yields


Mark de LA says
Faust 2006-06-30 05:13:33 3829
Well i wouldn't call .6 degree a fever ... then too you need to look at the 2nd derivitive of the trend curve ... is the trend steadly increasing, steadly decreasing, or varying all over the place ?   The thing about CO2 is that it is not a poison, as you seem to imply.  No, it is part of life itself ... it is what plants breath.  In fact having more CO2 in the air will probably increase crop yields
I can agree to a certain extent.  Here is another article on CO2 & plants.

Mark de LA says
M 2006-06-30 06:10:20 3829
Faust 2006-06-30 05:13:33 3829
Well i wouldn't call .6 degree a fever ... then too you need to look at the 2nd derivitive of the trend curve ... is the trend steadly increasing, steadly decreasing, or varying all over the place ?   The thing about CO2 is that it is not a poison, as you seem to imply.  No, it is part of life itself ... it is what plants breath.  In fact having more CO2 in the air will probably increase crop yields
I can agree to a certain extent.  Here is another article on CO2 & plants.
But then there is this article which says that plants cause global warming because they absorb more of the radiation being green & dark colored. (Mother Earth likes plants, I thought this was good!).

Seth says
We can now observe changes in our Earth at a high degree of accuracy.  One example is the GRACE satellite which in this animation shows the artic ice sheet melting. But gentelmen, get over it ... the Earth is always going through changes.  Look at your own body and how it changes as your age.  You cannot stop aging ... you cannot stop changes.  Where humans have it over animals is that we can adapt.  Our approach should be not to hold back these changes, but to anticipate them, and use our ingenuity  to  profit and adapt to what is comming.

Mark de LA says
Faust 2006-06-30 09:04:14 3829
We can now observe changes in our Earth at a high degree of accuracy.  One example is the GRACE satellite which in this animation shows the artic ice sheet melting. But gentelmen, get over it ... the Earth is always going through changes.  Look at your own body and how it changes as your age.  You cannot stop aging ... you cannot stop changes.  Where humans have it over animals is that we can adapt.  Our approach should be not to hold back these changes, but to anticipate them, and use our ingenuity  to  profit and adapt to what is comming.
Humans & animals both adapt (Darwin & others will attest).  I think we have a better brain - (in most cases).

Mark de LA says
If you think I have a closed mind you might look at the title of this item which I started.


Seth says
M 2006-07-02 12:34:58 3829
If you think I have a closed mind you might look at the title of this item which I started.

Well i don't know how successful our about room2 expermint actually was.  I noticed that when i was arguing it was very difficult for me to always keep with honest responses ... meaning ones that, even though they were opposite from my usual perspective, were still honestly believed.  Case in point was when i said "Have faith in Gaia just as you have faith that Christ will forgive your sins. "  I don't know if you had that same problem or not.  I did notice that the tone of your prose changed dramatically ... its hard to pin down ... felt like you were telling me a story that you really didnt believe in. 

Mark de LA says
Had no problems in room2 on my expressions. Sometimes I fudged a bit on how opposite my expression was to my current viewpoint. The experiment, IMHO, is successful it you got something positive from it.  


Seth says
source: M above
She won't need life-support for a few millenia.
  Wow, not that's good news ... after listening to this i though it might actually impact in my life time ... and after reading James Lovelock, inventor of the Gaia concept, say "We may truly be in grave danger... few of the present inhabitants of the earth are likely to survive beyond the 21st Century", i was thinking the situation might be much worse than your "bit of a fever". But then i remembered the "end is comming" syndrome.  I would bet that most crazies fall into that syndrom one time or another ... it must be something endemic of a schizophrenic brain.  You know the best tonic for that syndrome.  Laugh it off! 
 

Mark de LA says
Faust 2006-07-04 10:51:44 3829
source: M above
She won't need life-support for a few millenia.
  Wow, not that's good news ... after listening to this i though it might actually impact in my life time ... and after reading James Lovelock, inventor of the Gaia concept, say "We may truly be in grave danger... few of the present inhabitants of the earth are likely to survive beyond the 21st Century", i was thinking the situation might be much worse than your "bit of a fever". But then i remembered the "end is comming" syndrome.  I would bet that most crazies fall into that syndrom one time or another ... it must be something endemic of a schizophrenic brain.  You know the best tonic for that syndrome.  Laugh it off!   
Few of the present inhabitants of the Earth are likely to survive beyond the 21st century <== that is correct regardless of the condition of the Earth. I certainly will not survive beyond the 21st century. I suspect that you won't either. This is the 21st century which means (to spell it out) that someone born today would have to be about 93+/-1 years old to survive thru New Years day 2100 (a few is correct)! - But, none of us will get out of this alive !

Mark de LA says
Sorry, dude - I just estimated. Given that the last couple of hundred years only produced 0.6 degrees of global warming, I suspected that for 1000 years that would only be 6 degrees which would only make environmentalists sweat.


Mark de LA says
Lovelock (Mr. Gaia) believes that nuclear power is the answer & the only one to save the Earth from global warming. That must be a bag of mixed emotions for the greens. I tend to think that a combination of all sorts of power & transportation solutions will emerge & should be used.

I read "Gore's animations" as cartoons - adult replacement for Looney Tunes.  There is no doubt about the power of movies & animation. The problem is in believing everything you see on TV & in the movies. Some people are upset & think that Tinky Winky is a gay teletubby!

I get my sense of Gaia more from Rudolph Steiner than Lovelock - never read his book; just saw a movie that used the name & the way they spoke about it stuck with me.
source: (RS) ...  For on the Earth itself

Seth says
M 2006-07-04 11:31:00 3829
But, none of us will get out of this alive !

Well if the end of the world syndrome takes over our mentality, don't expect that even the DNA of our species will survive.  But i think some troglodytes will be able to survive in deep caves or maybe the calamity will produce some island somewhere with a nice climate  ... it's just that it probably won't be England or Manhattan ... maybe it will be Greenland or the Galapagos.  I mean those crazies think the Gulf Stream is just gonna stop dead in it's tracks ... last time a stream stopped Europe went into a ice age .. that was in the movie ... it was soo kewl seeing Gore's animation of that.  

Seth says
source:  via flicker off of tag "global warming"

 
Well at least we should take solice in that it will be televised.

Btw i found where you got the idea about it taking a "millenia" ... it's from my


 Ann Coulter doll ... pushed her belly and she said
 
... 


well she had gotten stuck ... had to give her batterise a hystericalrectomy ... she's all better now ... i wonder why they didnt make here anatomically correct.

Mark de LA says
My most recent previous comment supported the title of my item.


Mark de LA says
Faust 2006-07-04 13:07:38 3829
.. i though this was a about room2 node
Good point, but I'm uncertain what side you believe in or what the point of the exercise is anymore. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2006-07-04 13:44:11 3829
M 2006-07-04 13:34:16 3829
Sorry, dude - I just estimated. Given that the last couple of hundred years only produced 0.6 degrees of global warming, I suspected that for 1000 years that would only be 6 degrees which would only make environmentalists sweat.

Don't expect it to be linear my friend, take a look at "tipping points". 
Yep, you need tipping points to make a crisis out of it!

Mark de LA says
BTW, have you noticed the half-Earth above has a face in it?


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