Denise and i went to the movies ...

About: An Inconvenient Truth


... which is unusual because we usually only watch videos in the comfort of our bed. But this one ... this one i wanted to see on the big screen ... i wanted to see the dramatic impact.  I was not disappointed.  Now bear in mind that i also bought the book (AIT) and have been kind of studying it.  But the movie is much better than the book.  How many times can you say that?  If you only see one movie this year ... see this one.  It will make the hair stand up on the back of your neck ... especially if you have any children to whom you intend to bequeath the future. 

I know .. i know ... there is a lot of hype surrounding this ... and that hype is dealt with in the movie.  Intellectually, if nothing else, the movie sketches an agenda for in depth study. 

Gore used this graph from science magazine to dramatized the scale of the problem.  You can Zoom the graph, page 66-67 of AIT, here.   To show you just how far out of the ordinary the CO2 emissions were from what has been the normal fluxuations for the past 600,000 years, he got up on a giant elevator.  To me he made his point.  I was, however, less convinced by his implication that CO2 will cause the temperature to rise  to the same scale.  I need to break that finding down to finer propositions and delve into the science.  

His point that this is not a partisan issue ... err should not be partisan issue ... is not to be questioned.  It is an ethical issue that each man and woman in the world should deal with now.  It would be a crime for our generation to  bequeath a broken and dieing world to the next generation when that crime can be averted by our actions today.  Any way you slice it, it would be the biggest crime ever perpertrated by mankind.  We need to deescalate all the partisan static, understand the science, make a determination, and if necessary take action to avoid committing this crime that might destroy our world.  

Republican skeptics should definitely see this movie.  In fact, if you are a republican skeptic, and you have a blog and are among the first 10 people to contact me via comments on this item, I will treat you to a ticket. 

So ... see you at the movies .



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  3. review
  4. global warming
  5. algore
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Comments


Seth says
M 2006-07-02 14:12:20 3842
And another thing, whatever happened to your skepticism about absolute truths. You seem to be following Algore who thinks he has a monopoly on the "truth" about global warming.

I expressed my skeptism above ... but as i was actively editing the item, you may have missed it ... please reread.

Seth says
M 2006-07-02 14:10:33 3842
Trouble is this is horseshit!
source: ... is not to even be questioned.
... It always seems to be partisan when someone disagrees with your side.  As long as your side gets its way & defines what action has to be done and how big the crisis is then it's to your side "non-partisan". When I object it becomes leftrightism - HA!

Oh your suggesting that this be a partisan issue?

Mark de LA says
Political does not equate to partisan until you have a difference of opinion. With 457 congressmen & 100 senators it's going to be partisan. Now whether the traditional left-right divisions hold is another question.
source: ... Well that is an interesting perspective,  it probably has some measure of truth to it.  Apparently they missed the boat with marijuana ... that could have been giant boon for the government. 

One interesting (fact?) that emerged in the movie was that Japan and China have sticter auto emission standards than the US.  Yet their auto industry is far healthier (AIT 272-273) .   How are their legislations working?  What can we learn from their success?

...The traditional answer about marijuana is that the alcohol lobby prevents the cannibis lobby from prevailing.
You should wonder if Japan (which has no native oil resources) but makes a lot of the cars we drive is not already making us drive cars which are above the EPA standards. It's not their legislature which is doing it - it's the car industry itself. I suspect our unions are much of the problem; resisting change. They use a different model of business one called Keiretsu.




Seth says
M 2006-07-02 14:25:42 3842
seth 2006-07-02 14:17:31 3842
Btw, this is not a leftrightism node ... don't be surprised if leftrightis comments are deleted.
Yep, that is a 2-way game
I'm not afraid of that, the group logic here at fastblogit has been carefuly though out and if it needs to be tested, then so be it.  Note that cells and people's diverge and divide as needed ... from my view that is part of the biological process.

This is my node and its intention is to review the movie and the ethical and political ramifications that it brings up.  It is not an excuse to make more leftrightism lobs.  There are plenty of other nodes available for that. 

Seth says
M 2006-07-02 14:24:34 3842
Whether you or I declare it partisan or not - it IS political.  Once actions are required that requires people and $$$ - that's political and partisan. 

Well in my book political does not equate to partisan.  Seems to me that when urgent maters arise there is a hue and cry to suspend partisanship and to the extent that happens is the extent to which practical action emerges. 

M 2006-07-02 14:24:34 3842
...  Why do you think that cigarettes & tobacco have not been outlawed completely - can't blame it all on BIG Tobacco. The government has raped that industry a great number of years for money which they are not even blowing on anti-tobacco education and PSAs . It is exactly because they get money from taxes and lawsuits that it is NOT illegal yet. In fact it has served as a model for other industries like fastfood, SUVs, dope etc. First demonize the industry. Second tax it increasingly but never outlaw it. Third sue it until you get as much as you can since the public will really not put up with raising taxes.  etc.  If tobacco were really as bad as has been expressed (especially in the courts) then we should ban it forever!  Next it looks like the gas & car industry is in for some shit.

*FYI, I have no stake in tobacco - I quit years ago.

Well that is an interesting perspective,  it probably has some measure of truth to it.  Apparently they missed the boat with marijuana ... that could have been giant boon for the government. 

One interesting (fact?) that emerged in the movie was that Japan and China have sticter auto emission standards than the US.  Yet their auto industry is far healthier (AIT 272-273) .   How are their legislations working?  What can we learn from their success?



Mark de LA says
You should also note that Tokoyo & Beijing have smog problems along with Mexico City (the current worst) - Even LA is better than it used to & Denver is catching up with what LA used to be.


Mark de LA says
M 2006-07-02 23:27:01 3842
You should also read this article from yesterday WSJ (If you don't have a closed mind) that gives a critique of Gore's idea that the debate is over - it certainly isn't (except for Gore's mind).  If gives lots of points of debate to talk about.

He says:
So what, then, is one to make of this alleged debate? I would suggest at least three points.

First, nonscientists generally do not want to bother with understanding the science. Claims of consensus relieve policy types, environmental advocates and politicians of any need to do so. Such claims also serve to intimidate the public and even scientists--especially those outside the area of climate dynamics. Secondly, given that the question of human attribution largely cannot be resolved, its use in promoting visions of disaster constitutes nothing so much as a bait-and-switch scam. That is an inauspicious beginning to what Mr. Gore claims is not a political issue but a "moral" crusade.

Lastly, there is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition. An earlier attempt at this was accompanied by tragedy. Perhaps Marx was right. This time around we may have farce--if we're lucky.

Mark de LA says
You do have a closed mind which must be incapable of informing. His article also says:
source: ... More recently, a study in the journal Science by the social scientist Nancy Oreskes claimed that a search of the ISI Web of Knowledge Database for the years 1993 to 2003 under the key words "global climate change" produced 928 articles, all of whose abstracts supported what she referred to as the consensus view. A British social scientist, Benny Peiser, checked her procedure and found that only 913 of the 928 articles had abstracts at all, and that only 13 of the remaining 913 explicitly endorsed the so-called consensus view. Several actually opposed it.
... and
source: ... Some deployed the lassitude argument--e.g., we can't think of an alternative--to support human attribution.
...and
source: ... Even among those arguing, there is general agreement that we can't attribute any particular hurricane to global warming. To be sure, there is one exception, Greg Holland of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., who argues that it must be global warming because he can't think of anything else. While arguments like these, based on lassitude, are becoming rather common in climate assessments, such claims, given the primitive state of weather and climate science, are hardly compelling.
...BTW, this is an Opinion Journal editorial in the WSJ - it is qualititative not quantitative - just like Algore's stuff. At least Lindzen is an atmospheric science professor (PhD).

source: ... that the question of human attribution largely cannot be resolved, its use in promoting visions of disaster constitutes nothing so much as a bait-and-switch scam.
...What the above means (for the English speaking) is that there is NOT conclusive proof that humans are to blame, but Algore covers that over by his visions of calamity which is his bait-and-switch scam on the public.

His final conclusion is that when you tell a Big Lie lie loud and often:
source: ... Lastly, there is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition. An earlier attempt at this was accompanied by tragedy. Perhaps Marx was right. This time around we may have farce--if we're lucky.
...you can at least make a movie about it.







Seth says
M 2006-07-02 23:29:50 3842
M 2006-07-02 23:27:01 3842
You should also read this article from yesterday WSJ (If you don't have a closed mind) that gives a critique of Gore's idea that the debate is over - it certainly isn't (except for Gore's mind).  If gives lots of points of debate to talk about.

The proposition in Lindzen's editorial is "Al Gore is wrong. There's no consensus on global warming ", yet he does not refute the materials which Gore quotes to establish that consensus.  What Gore's actually says in the movie sounds very similar to "BEYOND THE IVORY TOWER: The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change"  as published in Science.  Let me quote what, for me, was the most convincing fact ...
The drafting of such reports and statements involves many opportunities for comment, criticism, and revision, and it is not likely that they would diverge greatly from the opinions of the societies' members. Nevertheless, they might downplay legitimate dissenting opinions. That hypothesis was tested by analyzing 928 abstracts, published in refereed scientific journals between 1993 and 2003, and listed in the ISI database with the keywords "climate change" (9).

The 928 papers were divided into six categories: explicit endorsement of the consensus position, evaluation of impacts, mitigation proposals, methods, paleoclimate analysis, and rejection of the consensus position. Of all the papers, 75% fell into the first three categories, either explicitly or implicitly accepting the consensus view; 25% dealt with methods or paleoclimate, taking no position on current anthropogenic climate change. Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position.

The fact quoted in the movie was the part that says 928 peer review papers and none of the papers disagree with the consensus position.  To refute Gore's consensus to me Lindzen must deal with that study, yet i don't see where he has ... not in his rambling cherry picking op ed piece  ... and not in his more studied article here.   We have seen this guy before, he talks almost as frequently against the propostion as Gore does for it, but he is not talking science ... he is just throwing more rhetoric.   Case in point is this sentence in his conclusion which you quoted,  let us ...
that the question of human attribution largely cannot be resolved, its use in promoting visions of disaster constitutes nothing so much as a bait-and-switch scam.
analize the semantics of that sentence.  Taking with terms like "the question of human attribution" sounds very scientific, does it not?  But his assertion is substantually untrue.  Citation studies of peer reviewed articles in science actually do give us a pretty good idea what scientists are taking seriously.  His premis is substantually untrue and is just there to confuse people into thinking that it has justified the conclusion of his sentence. In that conclusion he switches to propoganda terms.  So what we have is a untruth masquerading as a scientific fact justifying propoganda.  Bait and switch indeed!

Sorry his article does not inform.


Seth says
Well, M has brought up a couple of good points.  (1) One is that i misinterperted Lindzen's sentence thinking that the phrase "the question of human attribution" referred to an "attribution of the consensus" rather than what it does refer to "the attribution issue: that is, to explain what mechanisms are responsible for observed changes in climate.".   Consequently my paragraph about the semantics of his sentence is inaccurate.  Sorry, that just underlies that we should read the entire article, not just the first fue paragraphs.  I apologize for my inaacurate reading.

(2) The other is that Lindzen does deal with the consensus issue as follows ...
source: Lindzen in OpinionJournal
More recently, a study in the journal Science by the social scientist Nancy Oreskes claimed that a search of the ISI Web of Knowledge Database for the years 1993 to 2003 under the key words "global climate change" produced 928 articles, all of whose abstracts supported what she referred to as the consensus view. A British social scientist, Benny Peiser, checked her procedure and found that only 913 of the 928 articles had abstracts at all, and that only 13 of the remaining 913 explicitly endorsed the so-called consensus view. Several actually opposed it.

For my part now i am in persuit of the two published reports (a) Nancy Oreskes journal Science (is Nancy's article the same as the one i refered above by Naomi ?) , and (b) Benny Peiser's article (publication media unknwn).  We need to read both of these studies carefully.  Here is an article in gristmill which may or may not assist in that careful reading.



Seth says
M 2006-07-03 10:41:01 3842
Why would anyone in their right mind , who calls themself open-minded, want to read/post an article that starts out with the red-herring:
source: (gristmill) ... climate dead-ender Richard Lindzen
... do ya think gristmill is open-minded or maybe just a little bit prejudiced? Ad hominem still seems to show up a lot in the pro-global-warmind crowd.
Any non leftrightims informed comments re [title oreskes vs peiser] should be directed to that node.  Any non informed leftrightims comments re the  consensus/no-consensus should be directed to nodes tagged into [tag leftrighism].

Seth says
An interesting review of the movie by Susie Bright ...
my comment on her blog

"He was shown large, beautiful, and manly ... I felt manipulated to fall in love with Al at every turn..."

Susie, Susie, Susie, When Gore lost they said he was deadpan ... now he shows us his humanity and he is manipulating. Are you confusing sexual arousal with political decision?

...

Seth says
M 2006-07-06 09:45:55 3842
I see ! leftrightisms are disallowed but gushing teenage orgasims about Algore are quite OK

This is not a proposition node, it is a node to review the movie.  Btw, her review is not leftrightism at all ... she was "hoping for an ecology version of The Corporation" ... instead she got sexually aroused by Al Gore.  Well i thought he projected well too ... but that did not dstract me from his message which was well thought out, Susie's expectations not withstanding.

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