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"I would much rather see responsibilities exercised by individuals than have them imposed by the government. But there is a corollary to freedom and that's personal responsibility, and the real challenge is how you generate that personal responsibility without imposing it." -- Esther Dyson in Reason (October 1996)

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Mark de LA says
source: ... Eastwood was quoted in an undated profile in the British magazine Hello as saying, "There's a rebel lying deep in my soul. Anytime anybody tells me the trend is such and such, I go the opposite direction. I have a reverence for individuality... I've always considered myself too individualistic to be either right-wing or left-wing."
... .... Made my day!


Mark de LA says
Reason Online is a Libertarian magazine.  Note the issue of a new oil tax in the adv on the left side.

Mark de LA says
seth 2006-07-09 05:57:55 3882
M 2006-07-08 09:10:25 3882
Reason Online is a Libertarian magazine.  Note the issue of a new oil tax in the adv on the left side.
I don't get the question in the oil tax advert ...
If you had $4 billion to spend without accountability,
what would you do?
How do they get that question from the idea of an oil tax?  Why wouldn't the revenue from any oil tax be jest at accountable as any other tax ?   Ok ok i have not studied the issue, but it sure smells like a strawman.  I hate strawmen arguments.  There is way way too much of that in US politics today.  Argue against what a person says, not against what is convenient for you to put in their mouth.  In general a revenue neutral way to tax our addiction to the fossil fuels  sounds like a good idea to me. 
I guess you did not read the whole political advertizement:
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Few argue with the need to expand alternative energy use. But the proposed oil tax initiative headed for the November 2006 statewide ballot is not the way to get there. The initiative creates a new state bureaucracy run by more than 50 political appointees with power to hire unlimited staff and spend a minimum of $4 billion in tax dollars - outside the state budget review process and outside the normal checks and balances that govern other agencies. The new bureaucracy is authorized to spend additional taxes year after year after year, even if they are making absolutely no progress advancing alternative energy use or reducing petroleum use. That's a recipe for waste, not progress.
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What's with you and strawmen arguments these days. It's almost like you just learned the word and are using it every chance you get to dismiss someone's arguments. Politicians on all sides of an issue lie & will say to their constituents what they think will cause them to get votes. It is valid to extrapolate what the consequences of their statements mean & argue against that - get over it!

I have emboldened in red the part that hints at the lack of accountability.  It's just like the billions of dollars gained in tobacco settlements. Politicians spend that money on whatever they want & not all on weaning smokers from tobacco or curing those sick from the cancer it produces. If you notice most taxes eventually end up in the general treasury & don't go for what they originally were intended.

It's the new template for raising your taxes since the public will not directly stand for that anymore & governments always expand & wont shrink their budgets:
  1. create crisis...
  2. demonize..
  3. sue..
  4. spend the money..
  5. goback to step 1.
What in the Church of the Holy Taxman is a revenue neutral tax ? It's never a good idea to raise a tax. Did you think by putting the disingenuous word neutral in there would make it slide up any easier ?


Seth says
M 2006-07-08 09:10:25 3882
Reason Online is a Libertarian magazine.  Note the issue of a new oil tax in the adv on the left side.
I don't get the question in the oil tax advert ...
If you had $4 billion to spend without accountability,
what would you do?
How do they get that question from the idea of an oil tax?  Why wouldn't the revenue from any oil tax be jest at accountable as any other tax ?   Ok ok i have not studied the issue, but it sure smells like a strawman.  I hate strawmen arguments.  There is way way too much of that in US politics today.  Argue against what a person says, not against what is convenient for you to put in their mouth.  In general a revenue neutral way to tax our addiction to the fossil fuels  sounds like a good idea to me. 


Seth says
Re the California initivite, like i said above, "i have not studied the issue". 

In general there is nothing productive that  will come by usein strawman argumentation.  Extrapolateing consequences of actions is one thing and that is not what we are talking about here.  Changing what a person says by putting words in their mouths to which they would not assent is a distortion of  the process of polemics.  It is a well know as fallacious.  There is no defense for it in legitimate political dialogue any more than there is an excuse for out right lieing.  Perhaps there is a place for it in political satire, but then that is not what i am talking about.  Get over it?  No, I'm mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore!

 btw google revenue neutral = 525,000 ... nothing "disingenuous" about it ... just a convenient way to refer to a specific kind of tax change ... it's easy to learn these new-to-you-terms with a select, right click, and Search the web.
   


Mark de LA says
A new tax is NEVER revenue neutral to my wallet. The disingenuousness attribute stands! Do you think someone is going to actually cut taxes somewhere else to balance the new tax ?


Mark de LA says
Again, Seth,  you are using ad hominem statements & accusing someone of lying (while misspelling the word). Do you think by calling something a strawman without explaining your attribution terminates the discussion - quick & easy - you won, HA! I think that your use of the word strawman so often is just a strawman! You might want to read a little more on reductio ad absurdum and other stuff.
Maybe then you won't be so "mad as hell!".
BTW, what was the change in what a person said that you are talking about in the case in point ?


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