Lucifer vs Ahriman


It just dawned on me that modern USA politics might be caught up in a Lucifer vs Ahirman struggle/polarity.  The left wing is Lucifer, the right wing is Ahirman.  Lucifer is for bottom up freedome for the individual. Ahirman is for top down control.  I guess that puts Christ as a moderate centrist.   Lucifer must weigh in on the side of individual freedome vs Ahirman on the side of a strong State. This might not alighn totaly but it may serve to give us some insight.

Actually all this left right thinking is giveing me a head ache. 

 

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Comments


Mark de LA says
Lucifer is the extreme of Egoism. Ahriman is the extreme of Materialism. The balance is Christ - extreme Love perhaps. It is however these forces which on the one hand lead to logic, science, computers & books on the Ahrimanic side & personal consciousness & self-interest on the other. I, too would not get into left-rightism through this insight.


Seth says
Materialism seems to mean different things to different people.  Philosophers seem to take it as a rejection of spiritualism.  When i was growing up it seems to mean a rejection of consumerism ... or at least that is how i remember learing it from GW ... you may have had different experiences.  I just said that to say that these words in themselves have shifting meanings ... so that it is almost impossible to figure out what something like "Ahriman is the extreme of Materialism" actually means.  Certainly science pits itself against spiritualism ... see Science vs Mysticism. Neither the left nor the right dare to claim science ... Ann Coulter's new book not withstanding.  The right certainly has glomed on to religion but that doesn't put them anywhere in the Ahriman/Lucifer spectrum except perhaps at the thrid pole, Christ.

Like i said, and here i need to agree with you, this does not shed much light on leftrightism ... [please keep my original spelling ... am trying to coin an actual word here].  I'm thinking that the leftrightism that seems to be looming so vididly in to the US political spectrum is a new polorization containing new coalitions of political thought.  It may contain more gerrymandering and manipulation of what people actually believe, than it appears upon the first naive inspection.

Mark de LA says
Well, this seems to be moving out of the realm of [the: group the great work] & back into politics. Materialism is both ignoring the spiritual & a focus upon the material world leading to greed & consumerism. Additionally it also restricts it's view to only that part of human existence that is between birth & death.

Mark de LA says
This is not in my mind hard to understand. Materialism is focus upon the physical world.  It is not good or bad, really. Atheists seem to believe that that is all there is. Most of the population of the world are not Atheists. On the other hand my spies tell me that Judaism focuses on the physical world & doesn't believe in anything afterwards & yet they believe in God. 


Seth says
M 2006-07-12 08:08:08 3912
Materialism is both ignoring the spiritual & a focus upon the material world leading to greed & consumerism. 
Well a rejection of a spiritual world and a focus upon that which is before us (as opposed to that which is imagined) does not necessialily lead us into greed and consumerism.  Conversly an acceptance of a spiritual world does not necessarily lead us into parsimony. Me thinks that is an example of gerrymandering beliefs.
Additionally it also restricts it's view to only that part of human existence that is between birth & death.
This is true.


Seth says
M 2006-07-12 08:08:41 3912
I recommend that you unprivatize this one if you continue into the political realm.
It's fine just where i positioned it.  Just please avoid cranking up the public political end.  The discussion here is intended to tease out the spiritual end of the subject.

Seth says
M 2006-07-12 08:57:51 3912
This is not in my mind hard to understand. Materialism is focus upon the physical world.  It is not good or bad, really. Atheists seem to believe that that is all there is. 
That's pretty much the way i see it too.  Focusing on all there is doesn't sound bad at all, unless you wish there is more.  I like what Henry Miller put it in one of his books ... sorry can't put my finger on the exact quote ... went something like this ... "Throught the ages spirit has been there buggering matter" ... he went on like that for paragraphs ... he spoke from the point of view of matter, not what is for you a confortable point of view.  It was not confortable for me either when i first read it in my teens .... i didn't understand what he was saying at all ... i could not comprehend it ... i though he was just saying something smutty to spice up his book.  i wish i could find the original, it was far better than my paraphrase from faulty memory. 

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