Separation of Church & State is sometimes a Bitch

About: IRS Warns Churches to Avoid Campaigning

I forgot where I put that comment on how God might say things about politics, but here is more info:
source: ... Two days before the 2004 presidential election, the Rev. George F. Regas, the church's former rector, delivered a guest sermon that pictured Jesus in a debate with George W. Bush and John Kerry. Although Regas didn't endorse a candidate, he said Jesus would have told Bush that his pre-emptive war policy "has led to disaster."
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Of course we already know what kind of cars they drive.


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Comments


Seth says
what kind of cars is  ... of course we know that Liberals drive Volvos ... but exactly where that is supported in scripture is veiled in mystery.

But on a more serious note, i'm not so sure that this IRS rule squares with the first amendment.  It seems to me that this is  a clear case of  making a "law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".   Has it been tested in the courts?

Mark de LA says
The thing to worry about is whether tax free exemptions should be given to religious organizations. Right now they are & have been for a long time. The IRS is just enforcing tax law.


Seth says
M 2006-07-18 09:35:23 3963
The thing to worry about is whether tax free exemptions should be given to religious organizations. Right now they are & have been for a long time. The IRS is just enforcing tax law.
Good point , my interpertation of the first ammendment is that they should not.

Mark de LA says
seth 2006-07-18 09:42:10 3963
M 2006-07-18 09:35:23 3963
The thing to worry about is whether tax free exemptions should be given to religious organizations. Right now they are & have been for a long time. The IRS is just enforcing tax law.
Good point , my interpertation of the first ammendment is that they should not.
It is an interesting situation. Some say that taxing a church is against the first ammendment (supressing church activity, church providing money to the state etc.). Some say that not taxing them is giving churches special privileges.  I think the IRS rules are in the area of the rules of tax-exempt organizations 501-3c type stuff.  Tax exempt organizations can't politic otherwise they would seem like any political org soliciting money for political campaigns.

Seth says
Yes you are right, it is a tricky issue.  Are political organizations taxed ... or are they tax exempt?   After all they don't make a profit.  It seems to me that if you grant a tax exemption for no prifit, then you have to keep with that as the only criteria.  I think more research is in order before i shoot my mouth off about it any more.

Mark de LA says
Now with an election coming preachers & others want to electioneer their flocks & subjects:

source: ...

“I’m very concerned about the spiritual side of this,” Garlow told FoxNews.com. “There’s a phenomenon occurring in America and that’s a loss of religious liberty.”

“If I would have said 50 years that ‘Tearing up a baby in the womb is a bad thing,’ people would have said ‘Of course it is,’” Garlow said. “But If I said that today, people would say ‘Pastor, you’re being too political.”

... some like the rev Wright have been doing it for years, however. Who knows about the temples, mosques & synagogues?

Religion is one way to code human behavior & secular law is just another. It is just a matter of not coding religion into secular law.


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