The StarTrek Prime Directive

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Is this your moral compass in Politics ?

As the right of each sentient species to live in accordance with its normal cultural evolution is considered sacred, no Star Fleet personnel may interfere with the healthy development of alien life and culture. Such interference includes the introduction of superior knowledge, strength, or technology to a world whose society is incapable of handling such advantages wisely. Star Fleet personnel may not violate this Prime Directive, even to save their lives and/or their ship unless they are acting to right an earlier violation or an accidental contamination of said culture. This directive takes precedence over any and all other considerations, and carries with it the highest moral obligation.

Is it pacifism?  Is it good for the Earth, here & now ? Is it a guarantor of peace ? What's so great about peace anyway ? Is death & war so bad ? There has never been much sacred about life - look at the millions of abortions performed in the US each year.  Look at capital punishment.  Look at the tribal wars in Africa & the famine & disease there. Look at terrorism wherever it occurs; especially in Africa in the Sudan, all over the Middle East, in India & in Chechnya & Malaysia.
Sorry, I almost forgot the holocausts of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Kim Il-Sung & his idiot son Kim Jong-il, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein & others in the last & present century.


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  1. anti-war
  2. prime directive
  3. startrek
  4. fatwa

Comments


Seth says
Well i suppose you could see the Bush Doctrine as "interference in normal cultural evolution" by a nation with  "superior knowledge".  It is hard for me to separate the idea that our presupposed "superior knowledge" gives us justification to make regime changes from the medieval adventurism of  world domination.  I think that a world dominated by one set of ideals and unified by dint of superior military force is a bad idea ... not even if those ideals be freedom and democracy.   If that puts me in the camp of the Prime Drective (PD) Trekies, so be it.

Now my
fatwa can be seen as meddiling in a soverign group and that has botered me and gaven me much pause.  Not withstanding that it will certainly be ignored and my act of issueing it is absurdly silly.  But the PD definitely arises here.  People who are not a members of a group, have no right to influence its internal evolution.  But you should interpert my fatwa merely as a rejection of the ideals of Islamic pruitians and a strong desire to see them reformed by moderate Muslims.  Until that happens the West will continue to see Islam as a threat and we will continue to see radical Muslims committing terrorists acts in the world and even within our borders.  So in regards the PD what is the difference between the solution scoped in my fatwa and the Bush Doctrine?  The difference is simple and obvious.  I am proposing a war of ideals fought with pen ink media and money.  Bush is proposing a war fought with bullits bombs and more dead bodies.

Seth says
I suppose that a case could be made that war is good for progress.  There being a belief that, in the long run,  it strengthens our societies and that it is some kind of sruvival of the fittest among nations and the ideals that nations go to war against.  Hense by applying a logic similar to "a friend of my enemy is my enemy" we could infer that pacifism is bad.  Is that what you are saying?  The message and intent of this node is very unclear to me. 

The prime directive applied to societies that are remote, isolated and soverign from the Federation.  I don't see how it applies to the interacting societies of the current globe.   Non interference in normal cultural evolution pre supposes that one is not already involved in that cultural evolution. 

What is it you are getting at?


Mark de LA says
source: ... no Star Fleet personnel may interfere with the healthy development of alien life and culture.
   Realizing that this is just fiction from a series & movies, I liked to pose it to those who think that the US should be isolated & not interfere in the Middle East. There are those who say that the alien (to most of the West) culture of Islam can't handle democracy or freedom. I say otherwise that it (freedom) is a human aspiration. I say that there are those in this culture that have an unconscious allegiance to the Prime Directive.
   I also threw in this item the culture of death argument.  It seems that many are horrified & use the body counts to argue against any war. I suggest that these people are crying phony tears because they don't decry body counts in all cases & on all sides. It seem like today the Roman Catholic Church is the most consistent in this area.


Mark de LA says
seth 2006-08-02 10:18:21 4062
Bush is proposing a war fought with bullets bombs and more dead bodies.
   Your only error, too bad it is a BIG error, is rooted in your false moral equivalency between the actions of terrorists & the actions of the US & Bush.  The Bush doctrine was formed to counter the Islamofacshits who attacked the U.S. & are attacking duly elected government of Iraq & Afghanistan. They are not the same.
   Until the so-called moderate members of Islamic religion have a perceptible influence on the radicals so that the radicals quit gathering bombs, explosives & bullets, abandon their militia & begin acting like a religion instead of an insurgency then I applaud the Bush doctrine.

Seth says
M 2006-08-02 11:32:42 4062
   Your only error, too bad it is a BIG error, is rooted in your false moral equivalency between the actions of terrorists & the actions of the US & Bush.  The Bush doctrine was formed to counter the Islamofacshits who attacked the U.S. & are attacking duly elected government of Iraq & Afghanistan. They are not the same.
   Until the so-called moderate members of Islamic religion have a perceptible influence on the radicals so that the radicals quit gathering bombs, explosives & bullets, abandon their militia & begin acting like a religion instead of an insurgency then I applaud the Bush doctrine.
There is nothing i have said that is based on any assumption of "moral equivalency".

And, btw, the Bush doctrine preceeded "the Islamofacshits who [...] are attacking duly elected government of Iraq & Afghanistan".  Do you not think it strange that a doctrine is "formed to counter"  events that it preceeds ?  Bush's invasion of Afghanistan was, imho, a reasonable reaction to 911.  But Bush's invasion of Iraq caused the insurgency, not the other way around. 

Until the so-called moderate members of Islamic religion have a perceptible influence on the radicals so that the radicals quit gathering bombs, explosives & bullets, abandon their militia & begin acting like a religion instead of an insurgency then I applaud the Bush doctrine.
I think moderate Muslims have a great influence on the radicals.  They have a much better chance of influenceing them than we do.


Mark de LA says
seth 2006-08-02 11:59:36 4062
M 2006-08-02 11:32:42 4062
   Your only error, too bad it is a BIG error, is rooted in your false moral equivalency between the actions of terrorists & the actions of the US & Bush.  The Bush doctrine was formed to counter the Islamofacshits who attacked the U.S. & are attacking duly elected government of Iraq & Afghanistan. They are not the same.
   Until the so-called moderate members of Islamic religion have a perceptible influence on the radicals so that the radicals quit gathering bombs, explosives & bullets, abandon their militia & begin acting like a religion instead of an insurgency then I applaud the Bush doctrine.
There is nothing i have said that is based on any assumption of "moral equivalency".

And, btw, the Bush doctrine preceeded "the Islamofacshits who [...] are attacking duly elected government of Iraq & Afghanistan".  Do you not think it strange that a doctrine is "formed to counter"  events that it preceeds ?  Bush's invasion of Afghanistan was, imho, a reasonable reaction to 911.  But Bush's invasion of Iraq caused the insurgency, not the other way around. 

Until the so-called moderate members of Islamic religion have a perceptible influence on the radicals so that the radicals quit gathering bombs, explosives & bullets, abandon their militia & begin acting like a religion instead of an insurgency then I applaud the Bush doctrine.

The Bush Doctrine was formed after 9-11 as I recall. It has been applied to conflicts with terrorists & those who harbor terrorists since!  
source: Until that happens the West will continue to see Islam as a threat and we will continue to see radical Muslims committing terrorists acts in the world and even within our borders.
...sounds like moral equivalency to me.
source: ... I think moderate Muslims have a great influence on the radicals.  They have a much better chance of influenceing them than we do.
... To reason with the insane seems to me like an act of futility.




Seth says
M 2006-08-02 12:24:01 4062
... To reason with the insane seems to me like an act of futility.
Yes it is.  But i am not proposing and kind of reasoning.  Moderate Islamic though must win more hearts and minds than the puritans.

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