This should piss someone off

About: cox & forkum: profiled

Thing is that those who caused all the commotion on 9-11 weren't little old Chinese ladies!
It's time the offended ones feed back to the terrorist ones that their rights are being compromised by the actions of some very bad people.

Tags

  1. terrorism
  2. profiling
  3. cox forkum

Comments


Mark de LA says
If it were up to the ACLU we would all have exceedingly nuanced & robust rights free from any governmental interference, BUT the country would on it's knees or destroyed because we couldn't do anything about the criminals & terrorists! 


Seth says
It's time the offended ones feed back to the terrorist
i'm not so sure that a open channel for that feedback exists, nor how to create it.

Seth says
M 2006-08-25 06:04:13 4249
seth 2006-08-25 06:00:15 4249
M 2006-08-25 05:56:15 4249
... BUT the country would on it's knees or destroyed 
Sounds like hyping terror to me.  For a person who doesn't like hype, you sure end up doing a lot of it.
You may have missed the point of the cartoon. It is the profiling that is being highlited. I would think that anyone flying in an airplane would be glad to know that the other people on the plane have been checked out & are unlikely to blow the plane up.  The same way as I would be glad to know that a plane malfunction has been found & fixed. Yes it is likely to slow you down, but the consequences of not doing these things is likely to cost you your life!
Yeah i got the cartoon.  I'm just saying that the phrases you keep using like the one above and like "the consequences of not doing these things is likely to cost you your life" are phrases that hype the terror.  I'm all for homeland security doing what needs to be done to make it as difficult as possible for terrorists to strike.  There is no doubt that some of our freedoms will need to be compromised.  I think the American people know that and are willing to pay the price.  The thing to remember in this process is what the objective of the terrorists is.  Their objective is fear.  Every time you hype fear of terrorism, you play into their game.  Our politicians are hyping fear too.  They are manipulating us with that fear for their own adgendas.  There really is not all that much difference between our politicians hyping fear and  Muslim fundamentalists hyping martyrdom.

Mark de LA says
source:(Seth) ... i'm not so sure that a open channel for that feedback exists, nor how to create it.
...Improve the number of people who are moderate Islamists.  Those voices should be loud & clear instead of hiding in the background. IMHO that is the true jihad - to educate the masses of muslims that jihad does not mean blow up the jews & infidels. Otherwise it looks to the rest of the world that Islamists all want a holy war!

Mark de LA says
seth 2006-08-25 06:00:15 4249
M 2006-08-25 05:56:15 4249
... BUT the country would on it's knees or destroyed 
Sounds like hyping terror to me.  For a person who doesn't like hype, you sure end up doing a lot of it.
You may have missed the point of the cartoon. It is the profiling that is being highlited. I would think that anyone flying in an airplane would be glad to know that the other people on the plane have been checked out & are unlikely to blow the plane up.  The same way as I would be glad to know that a plane malfunction has been found & fixed. Yes it is likely to slow you down, but the consequences of not doing these things is likely to cost you your life!

Seth says
M 2006-08-25 06:09:23 4249
source:(Seth) ... i'm not so sure that a open channel for that feedback exists, nor how to create it.
...Improve the number of people who are moderate Islamists.  Those voices should be loud & clear instead of hiding in the background. IMHO that is the true jihad - to educate the masses of muslims that jihad does not mean blow up the jews & infidels. Otherwise it looks to the rest of the world that Islamists all want a holy war!
Just a FYI here.  Your term "moderate Islamists" is an oxymoron.  Perhaps you meant "moderate Muslims".  And i certainly agree with you that the Voices Of Muslim Moderation should be "loud and clear", see my fatwa.  The problem i refered to above is that the jihadists (or Islamists) have not opened a channel into their ears.  You really cannot talk to these people, that i know of.  When, as, and if, someone finds out how to talk to them so that they comprehend our words, we will have solved the problem.  But then i'm sure that they are saying the same thing about me. What we have here is a clash of paradigms. 

Mark de LA says
M 2006-08-25 06:23:43 4249
Your attempt to make notice of terrorism politically incorrect (PC) is dully noted. OTOH it doesn't make it go away when you hide your head in the sand. Terrorists live on terror. If they dont make the news they will do bigger & better explosions. This article is on profiling. There is a story today about a Virgin Airline where the passengers were upset at being on the plane for a long time due to technical difficulties. Similar inconvenience - could have cost all their lives if not handled properly.
See: this article on the Virgin Airline problem. Lots of people don't think - they are worried about their own hustle & bustle & inconvience.

Mark de LA says
One medium that has an effect is movies. I don't know whether they are allowed to watch movies or not. Movies can create a different conversation if done well. I think Syriana was an attempt to do that from some point of view (I didn't watch it). Get some well respected people to change the conversation in a different direction where universal values such as family & worth bubble up to the top of the heap & the garbage falls by the wayside.


Seth says
M 2006-08-25 06:31:23 4249
M 2006-08-25 06:23:43 4249
Your attempt to make notice of terrorism politically incorrect (PC) is dully noted.
But that was not what i was doing.  There is a difference between noticing something happening and hyping the fear of something happening.  Look at what you actually said that i complained about: "the country would on it's knees or destroyed", "the consequences of not doing these things is likely to cost you your life".  Both of those phrases are not only exaggerations but are probably not at all true. 

Mark de LA says
M 2006-08-25 06:43:59 4249
source: ... There really is not all that much difference between our politicians hyping fear and  Muslim fundamentalists hyping martyrdom.
... S's moral equivalency (gone amuck) is showing again. Now where is that "head up the ass" emotey I wanted ?
BTW, the Muslim side is inciting to homocide.

Mark de LA says
seth 2006-08-25 06:42:03 4249
M 2006-08-25 06:31:23 4249
M 2006-08-25 06:23:43 4249
Your attempt to make notice of terrorism politically incorrect (PC) is dully noted.
But that was not what i was doing.  There is a difference between noticing something happening and hyping the fear of something happening.  Look at what you actually said that i complained about: "the country would on it's knees or destroyed", "the consequences of not doing these things is likely to cost you your life".  Both of those phrases are not only exaggerations but are probably not at all true. 
If the ACLU were to get it's way in the courts there would be little that we could do about the terrorists.  Read them their rights?  The notion in criminal proceedings is that you have to wait until the person commits an offense before you arrest him. What do you do with a terrorist (who may be a suicide bomber) wait until he blows himself & then arrest the pieces ? The fact is that the ACLU will never get all of it's way because the people will rise up & demand otherwise. This is more one of your "thought experiments" rather than a current reality.  It is a possibility not a probabality. It's purpose is NOT to hype terrorism & only does so in YOUR mind.

Seth says
M 2006-08-25 06:45:08 4249
M 2006-08-25 06:43:59 4249
source: ... There really is not all that much difference between our politicians hyping fear and  Muslim fundamentalists hyping martyrdom.
... S's moral equivalency (gone amuck) is showing again. Now where is that "head up the ass" emotey I wanted ?
BTW, the Muslim side is inciting to homocide.
Actually it's your moral stupidity that is showing here.  Israel and the West have killed far more innocent people in the Middle East than Muslim fundamentalists.  Every time you and your neocon buddies push out your chests and beat the drums of war you are "inciting to homicide". Tell that to the bomb targeting department of the IDF.   And before we go down that looping rat hole much further, you might wonder if there is any light at the end of it.


Mark de LA says
Moral equivalency gone very amuck can't see the difference between one side's reason for killing & the other's side. Obviously Seth can't eithe!  Ponder this thought experiment & see if you can see the point. Suppose some assholes come into your house with the intent of a home invasion - maybe they are escapees from a prison & may want to stay a while. The outcome is that , despite all your attempts othersise, you kill them. Unfortunately, they manage to blow up your house.  Who is the bad-guy in that scenario ? Are both sides just bad-guys ? Try out your thought processes on a level that you can comprehend rather than from some other prejudice. The only point of view where killing is always wrong is God's point-of-view. But, then what exactly does that look like?


Mark de LA says
seth 2006-08-25 07:27:35 4249
M 2006-08-25 07:16:44 4249
Suppose some assholes come into your house with the intent of a home invasion - maybe they are escapees from a prison & may want to stay a while. The outcome is that , despite all your attempts othersise, you kill them. Unfortunately, they manage to blow up your house.  Who is the bad-guy in that scenario ? 
The home invaders are the bad guys.  So what.  Now try to give an example that applies the the question at hand. 
If that is true then simply body counts or destruction is not the criterion to make both parties to a conflict equally moral. That applies. That is the point.

Mark de LA says
Seth's ad hominem attacks always end up this way:
source: ... Every time you and your neocon buddies push out your chests and beat the drums of war you are "inciting to homicide".
...it only works for his flaming liberal buddies! Doesn't work for anyone who can actually think!



Seth says
M 2006-08-25 07:31:30 4249
seth 2006-08-25 07:27:35 4249
M 2006-08-25 07:16:44 4249
Suppose some assholes come into your house with the intent of a home invasion - maybe they are escapees from a prison & may want to stay a while. The outcome is that , despite all your attempts othersise, you kill them. Unfortunately, they manage to blow up your house.  Who is the bad-guy in that scenario ? 
The home invaders are the bad guys.  So what.  Now try to give an example that applies the the question at hand. 
If that is true then simply body counts or destruction is not the criterion to make both parties to a conflict equally moral. That applies. That is the point.
good point

Mark de LA says
Cox & Forkum is a neat name for political cartoonists BTW ! 


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