A Faint Sound of Peace ...

About: Don't give Israel an excuse to stall

... heard today behind the drums.
source: Jerusalem Post
PALESTINIAN leaders Abbas and Haniyeh seem to have realized the need to remove the Israeli excuse not to engage with them. A hitherto underreported agreement over the prisoners' document (which calls for a Palestinian state within the 1967 lines) would allow Abbas to usher in the establishment of a national unity government that would include Islamists and secular nationalists.
...

The war on Lebanon has shown the overwhelming political power of the US when it comes to policies dealing with this region. If Washington is serious about the vision of its president regarding a viable and contiguous state of Palestine to live side by side with a safe and secure State of Israel, it needs to put the power of the president's office behind such a plan.

This is unlikely to happen until after the mid-term elections in the US, due on November 2. Until then a wise Palestinian strategy should include the removal of all possible contentious issues that can be used as excuses by Israel not to engage directly and seriously with them.

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Seth says
There are even signs of this scipt in this news from  ...
source: Aljazeera
Michel Aoun, the leader of Lebanon's opposition parliamentary bloc and Hezbollah's main Christian ally, has told the government to resign.

Seth says
M 2006-08-29 09:15:26 4285
The excuse is that the Palestinians elected a terrorist government - i.e. Hamas.
Yep that would be one of them.

Given any array of facts there will be some that support one script and some which support another one.  It is human nature to focus on those facts which support our pet script.  Daoud Kuttab seems to be listening, as am i, for signs of this script :
source: predictive script from 4109 erroniously published in 4133

The Hezobollah will clain victory.  The Sheite will hail Hezbolla as defender of Muslims agains the Zionist state.  The diplomatic situation will be very fluid.    If the Lebonease  recognized Hezbollah as a legitimate force in Lebenon politics and their militia merges with the Lebonease army yet the ceasfire is seen to be holding, a kind of stable situation may emerge.  The stage then well be set for a dramatic peace initiative.   Israel and the West may accept the newly constituted Lebonease government at a barganing table to create a Palestinean state.  Hezbollah will be at the table by proxy.    Hamas will need to be at the table alos with their proxy.   It will take a while ... maybe up to a year ... for that to happen.  At any time Hezbollah and/or Hamas can derail the effort by terrorist actions.  That is pretty much what has been happening.  The only difference is that they are in a stronger bargargin postion ... but they also should have more control of the situation.  If Israel wants peace this is the time to forge it.  Otherwise we will resume as above.   If Hezbollah/Hamas see themselves in a power position in the new Palestenian state and see themselves being hailed as forcing concessions from Israel,  they should be motivated to engage in that process.
Like i said, the signs are faint.  Perhaps after the mid term election they will get stronger.

Mark de LA says
You seemed to have switched from starting out with the perennial Palestinian-Israeli problem & that of the two-state solution back to the conflict in Lebanon. The Lebanese are not the Palestinians.  Lots of the Islamists in the Middle East like to bring up the Palestinian-Israeli problems when they commit terror acts elsewhere (like Iraq). The Hezbos have not been elected in the Palestinian territories. Hamas was. I think that Israel will not negotiate without a partner who does not recognize Israel's right to exist. The UN created it a long time ago.


Mark de LA says
It is amusing that Israel had vacated Lebanon & the Gaza Strip & was considering the West Bank when the Hezbos & Hamas decided to stall by committing terrorist acts.  What was their script ? What in the hell were they thinking ? All they had to do was wait. Of course getting what they publicly want & ask for would disenfranchise their terror enterprises - Remember Oslo & Yassir Arafat ?


Seth says
M 2006-08-30 10:28:38 4285
 You have repeatedly ignored these facts! 
Nope, i am aware of the history of the loop.  Repeating the script of the loop does not help you get out of the loop.  Remember the question:  "how, if it changes, does it change?"

Of course, if it doesn't change, then you will be able to go around saying what you are saying till hell freezes over ... and i suppose getting the same feeling of truthiness in your gut.  Well have fun.  Me, i call that a bug in the system .

Seth says
M 2006-08-29 10:48:10 4285
You seemed to have switched from starting out with the perennial Palestinian-Israeli problem & that of the two-state solution back to the conflict in Lebanon. The Lebanese are not the Palestinians.  Lots of the Islamists in the Middle East like to bring up the Palestinian-Israeli problems when they commit terror acts elsewhere (like Iraq). The Hezbos have not been elected in the Palestinian territories. Hamas was. I think that Israel will not negotiate without a partner who does not recognize Israel's right to exist. The UN created it a long time ago.
I don't know, i don't live in the  Middle East.  But it seems to me that the fighting powers are against Israel and the US and by extension the rest of the Western World.  It is probably more the Have(s) against the Have-Not(s).  Hezbollah is all about guns and power and pride.  Consider Ahmadinejad and all his postering with his military and "home-grown" nuclear capability.  That is raw guns and power and pride.  I doubt that he gives a shit about poor Palestinians.  His built up power opposes Israel-West built up power.  The two oposing forces create each other.  So they fight.  Listen to the drums of war. 

But ask yourself how, if it changes, does it change?   The power and pride on either side does not go away!  So insead of the guns (and other mechinism of asymetrically wielded violent power like suicide bombing), what form does that power-pride express itself as?  Well you could have political power ... economic power.  There is lots of kinds of power and pride available to change into.  If Israel-West suppressess that political-economic-power-pride, where do you think it will go?  Well it will go back to guns and bombs.   Israel's continual harrassment of Gaza, West Bank and now Lebenon (the Paris of the Middle East) does not help the cause of growing economic and political pride in those regions.  If Israel-West actually does want peace, then they need to stop the continual harrasment.  They need to find a way that they can let power-pride grow in those regions. 

Mark de LA says
It's too hard to untangle your last, S!  I really have no care for someone's pride!  "Pride is Lucifer's less-than-human shape." is a quote from the versified version of the I Ching.   Pride is something you get naturally when you do something good. To puff-up egos & pretend certainly follows the quote.  The World & the US have invested far too much in that region.  What good has Iran done with her resources ?  Why hasn't any other oil-rich neighbor taken in the poor of the Palestinians? In fact they have refused to take them in.

Humbug!


Mark de LA says
seth 2006-08-30 08:08:38 4285
You seem always to be asking "who's right, who's worng ... who's good, who's bad".  Like when you ask "What good has Iran done with her resources?" and when say "Pride is something you get naturally when you do something good".   Can you see that, in what i am saying here, there is no element of that kind of judgementalism?   If we are listining for what could happen, and please take that as a given here, then of what value is it for us to always be judgeing people?   Power and pride are part of human nature and they are some of the forces demigods use to manipulate populations.  But if you can think of other dynamics that are driving this situation, and that might change to prodce peace, by all means bring them up.  Try answering the question:  ask yourself how, if it changes, does it change?

And please assume that "killing them all" is not a practical answer.
Try again! Nothing judgemental in describing "Pride is something you get naturally when you do something good."  When the word "good" becomes politically incorrect then we are all shit out of luck! False pride is what you have when you depend upon others (or money or power) to puff yourself up! I want no part of that! Win pride internally by following the Golden Rule. You will absolutely know when you have done something good.   You used to many pronouns without reference for me to untangle your question in bold.

Seth says
You seem always to be asking "who's right, who's worng ... who's good, who's bad".  Like when you ask "What good has Iran done with her resources?" and when say "Pride is something you get naturally when you do something good".   Can you see that, in what i am saying here, there is no element of that kind of judgementalism?   If we are listining for what could happen, and please take that as a given here, then of what value is it for us to always be judgeing people?   Power and pride are part of human nature and they are some of the forces demigods use to manipulate populations.  But if you can think of other dynamics that are driving this situation, and that might change to prodce peace, by all means bring them up.  Try answering the question:  ask yourself how, if it changes, does it change?

And please assume that "killing them all" is not a practical answer.

Mark de LA says
Try using something besides a code-word metaphor like "Drumbeats of War" & you will get closer to an answer!

Seth says
M 2006-08-30 08:18:49 4285
Try again! Nothing judgemental in describing "Pride is something you get naturally when you do something good."  When the word "good" becomes politically incorrect then we are all shit out of luck! False pride is what you have when you depend upon others (or money or power) to puff yourself up! I want no part of that! Win pride internally by following the Golden Rule. You will absolutely know when you have done something good.   You used to many pronouns without reference for me to untangle your question in bold.
Look what i am saying is real simple.  Making judgements about people's actions in the Middle East will not help us to predict their actions.  Yet that is what you are doing. 

As to the question that i asked twice above here is a third attempt.  Assume for a moment that the situation in the Middle East changes such that Israel is at peace with the neighboring populations.  For that to happen, something must change.  Ask yourself, if it changes, how does it change?

Now, if you don't like to think that way, that is fine.  You can always poke fun at me and jeer at the people of the M.E. and say how immoral they are and how they should follow the golden rule but don't, and how their pride is stupid and all of that.  But then that will not help you predict how, if peace happens, it will happen

Mark de LA says
seth 2006-08-30 08:55:11 4285
M 2006-08-30 08:32:51 4285
Try using something besides a code-word metaphor like "Drumbeats of War" & you will get closer to an answer!
Why?  The run up to a war has a certain look and feel as we hear of it in the media.  Remember how things sounded as the administration drummed up the Iraq war ... remember the sound bytes ... how it started.  I think that "drumbeats of war" hits that look and feel perfectly.  Ask yourself if a year ago you were considering Iran to be a threat to your national security?  But i bet you do now.  What changed?  Well you started listening to the drums being beaten.  Some people call those "talking points" ... me, i call them the drums of war.
Why? - Because arguing from a metaphor gets stupid & ridiculous after a while; confusing a metaphor with the reality. Iran has been deemed to be one of the three countries in the "Axis of Evil" since W declared it so right after 9-11.  Want to argue about axises & evil ? Was it the government or the drive-by media or Iran's leader who is "rattling the nuclear sabre" causing a drum beat ?  Do you have your finger on the pulse of what causes war yet ? I call most of this shit the story line which is the script for the left-wing media. So far there has been a large vacuum in the media about Nasrallah's apology - mostly relegated to the back pages.  If the Hezbos won what was there to apologize for? Maybe the people of Lebanon don't really like the Hezbos when they look at what he brought upon them. The media drum beat in the Arab street seems to be going back against him.

Seth says
M 2006-08-30 08:32:51 4285
Try using something besides a code-word metaphor like "Drumbeats of War" & you will get closer to an answer!
Why?  The run up to a war has a certain look and feel as we hear of it in the media.  Remenber how things sounded as the administration drummed up the Iraq war ... remember the sound bytes ... how it started.  I think that "drumbeats of war" hits that look and feel perfectly.  Ask yourself if a year ago you were considering Iran to be a threat to your national security?  But i bet you do now.  What changed?  Well you started listening to the drums being beaten.  Some people call those "talking points" ... me, i call them the drums of war.

Mark de LA says
source: ... Assume for a moment that the situation in the Middle East changes such that Israel is at peace with the neighboring populations.  For that to happen, something must change.  Ask yourself, if it changes, how does it change?
... The answer is easy!  The terrorist franchise must end for this to happen. Israel reconsolidates it's territory. The Palestinians reconsolidate theirs. Treaties are signed. Trust with verification ensues.

   Now for the terrorist franchise to end you must substitute something more interesting & thrilling than the rush of blowing onself up for an imaginary 72 palaces of 72 virgins.  Actually I don't think that is what motivates those who are in the business but not suicide-bombers. I have noticed that Osama bin Laden did not sneak across the border to New York with a nuclear suitcase, yet,  to prove his dedication.  I don't know of anyone who has suggested that a good life & a 12-step program for terror-A-holics anonymous would do much good. IMHO complete isolation works better if you don't want to kill them all. It is the popularity - sudden attention in the media - which keeps them juiced up. But, then again the body counts & atrocities keep 24 hour media alive & well & the sick eyeballs of their consumers happy.


Mark de LA says
   I don't blame Israel for much of anything except trying to survive.  They may be heavy-handed occasionally like in Lebanon. But, you should ask why the terrorists don't get the point? All they have to do is stop it! They had it with Israel out of Lebanon & the Gaza. They were about to get out of the West Bank. (You have repeatedly ignored these facts! )
   Maybe deep psychological counselling would work!
  
   The World , including the US, would gladly donate what it would take to rebuild the Palestinian economy & lifestyle (whatever that is) were peace to break out in a permanent fashion. Unparalleled opportunities for trade would spring up.  Unfortunately you-know-who want's it all & would be disenfranchised & have to find day time jobs if peace worked.

  


Seth says
M 2006-08-30 09:37:43 4285
 you must substitute something more interesting & thrilling than the rush of blowing onself up
Yes, that is the answer.  But what might that be?  What it might be is what i was talking about in this item ...
source: Seth above
So insead of the guns (and other mechinism of asymetrically wielded violent power like suicide bombing), what form does that power-pride express itself as?  Well you could have political power ... economic power.  There is lots of kinds of power and pride available to change into.  If Israel-West suppressess that political-economic-power-pride, where do you think it will go?  Well it will go back to guns and bombs.   Israel's continual harrassment of Gaza, West Bank and now Lebenon (the Paris of the Middle East) does not help the cause of growing economic and political pride in those regions.  If Israel-West actually does want peace, then they need to stop the continual harrasment.  They need to find a way that they can let power-pride grow in those regions.
Do you agree or do you see  something different?


I think that, apart from judging, you need to look at the role Israel has played in preventing the people of Gaza, West Bank, and now Lebanon from economic prosperity and from forming  strong governments. I don't see how anything except terrorists could form under the kind of humilitaing harrasment that Israel has been persuing in the region.  Now i realize that this is a chicken and egg problem and that the old "who started it" is the knee jerk reaction.  But for peace to happen, that negative feedback loop must stop.  If Israel really wants peace they will need to front a bit of good will to prime the pump in the opposite direction.  Unfortunately, if you hang out at places like Israpundit you soon come to the conclusion that it is unlikely to happen.  But the article this item is about, Don't give Israel an excuse to stall, gives us just a glimpse from the other side.  The most effective force  that could cause Israel to go in the direction of peace  is the USA.  Hopefully democrats will articulate that view as a solution to the problems of the region.  Hopefully the American people will vote that view in the mid-term election and then this faint mummor of peace will become a roar.  Who knows, maybe it will even be heard in Israel.

Mark de LA says
seth 2006-08-30 10:38:53 4285
M 2006-08-30 10:28:38 4285
 You have repeatedly ignored these facts! 
Nope, i am aware of the history of the loop.  Repeating the script of the loop does not help you get out of the loop.  Remember the question:  "how, if it changes, does it change?"

Of course, if it doesn't change, then you will be able to go around saying what you are saying till hell freezes over ... and i suppose getting the same feeling of truthiness in your gut.  Well have fun.  Me, i call that a bug in the system .
Calling it a loop doesn't make the facts any less significant! That's your loop. What do you do when one side is getting what it wants & then says "No, that's not enough" when they finally get it?  I call that blackmail. If you can figure out any way around that I would like to know what it is. Usually, the only way around a blackmailer is to put him in jail.

Seth says
To get a whif of what i am calling harrasment, you might start by studying what actually happened in Ramallah.  Now, certainly there are demigods who do not want peace and incite terrorism to prevent it.  That is a given and well known aspect of the loop.  Ask yourself who will listen to these demigods when everybody is busy with their own prosperity and looks on their government and accomplishments with pride. 

Mark de LA says
That's a lot to read for your diffused point. Which is? What happened in Ramallah that wasn't in the winds of Intefada & terrorism?


Seth says
M 2006-08-30 11:03:47 4285
That's a lot to read for your diffused point. Which is? What happened in Ramallah that wasn't in the winds of Intefada & terrorism?
Sorry i can't say it any better than in that short article.  From the point in the article i pointed you to, there is only about 4 paragraphs to read before you should get my point. 

Mark de LA says
M 2006-08-30 11:07:16 4285
So let's assume you had a point and that it was the chicken & egg problem of violence<=>prosperity. Or perhaps, how do you get a chicken without an egg or an egg without a chicken?  That's one of those leaps of faith like paying it forward. Someone has to start the good side of the loop first 
Hmmm..... that's what I thought Sharon did with Gaza. What else was missing ?

Mark de LA says
I'm actually more optimistic than most. I think the local war in Israel will work itself out. I think people are tired of all the lives that are being upset by daily horse shit .   It is true that Iran & Syria would not like that peace. But, something might happen it the war begins to upset them on their own homeland.  A total news blackout inside & outside Iran & about Iran would be wonderful. I wonder how that could be accomplished, especially since there is an internet.  Maybe an EMP device, eh ?


Mark de LA says
seth 2006-08-30 11:11:22 4285
M 2006-08-30 11:03:47 4285
That's a lot to read for your diffused point. Which is? What happened in Ramallah that wasn't in the winds of Intefada & terrorism?
Sorry i can't say it any better than in that short article.  From the point in the article i pointed you to, there is only about 4 paragraphs to read before you should get my point. 
So I have to read 4 paragraphs of someone else's ideas to get YOUR point ?

Seth says
M 2006-08-30 11:24:21 4285
What was missing was the rest of Israel.  Total pacifism doesn't work because eventually the aggressor will want everything you have & then boot your ass out the door.
Well i'm glad that you are not involved because that is the kind of zero sum thinking that would keep you fighting your enemy forever.  Now listen a second to somebody who is involved ...
source: Lisa Goldman
In today's International Herald Tribune: an op-ed by a former IDF officer named Avi Azrieli,  who is also the author of this book, makes a lot of sense to me.

"Israel's recent hopes for peace, fueled by the disengagement from Gaza and elections won on plans to cede the West Bank, have given way to another war and to grim talk of eternal fighting. Israelis now speak of the Arabs' hate as a chronic disease that Israel is destined to live - or die - with. To revive its hopes, Israel must dare to consider a change of paradigm: transform itself into a Middle Eastern country."
The thing about your flower power is knowing how to use it.

Peace brother ...

Seth says
M 2006-08-30 11:09:35 4285
Hmmm..... that's what I thought Sharon did with Gaza. What else was missing ?
I don't know.  Seek out the unbiased historians of the region, perhaps they will tell you.  There are many voices in Israel, and it is torn between them. I suspect that Sharon's efforts were partual and incomplete and that when the terrorists struck the other voices took over and israel over reacted with revenge.  Peace is "hard work" to borrow a phrase from our fearless leader.  Sometimes you need to take a hit and not retaliate.  Sometimes you "need to stay the course" to borrow another one.  Or not, you can just fight forever.

Mark de LA says
seth 2006-08-30 16:54:34 4285
M 2006-08-30 11:24:21 4285
What was missing was the rest of Israel.  Total pacifism doesn't work because eventually the aggressor will want everything you have & then boot your ass out the door.
Well i'm glad that you are not involved because that is the kind of zero sum thinking that would keep you fighting your enemy forever.  Now listen a second to somebody who is involved ...
source: Lisa Goldman
In today's International Herald Tribune: an op-ed by a former IDF officer named Avi Azrieli,  who is also the author of this book, makes a lot of sense to me.

"Israel's recent hopes for peace, fueled by the disengagement from Gaza and elections won on plans to cede the West Bank, have given way to another war and to grim talk of eternal fighting. Israelis now speak of the Arabs' hate as a chronic disease that Israel is destined to live - or die - with. To revive its hopes, Israel must dare to consider a change of paradigm: transform itself into a Middle Eastern country."
The thing about your flower power is knowing how to use it.

Peace brother ...
It would be easier to parse what you are saying if the links led to the op-ed. Like I said before it looked like everything was going to work out there for a while after Sharon got out of Gaza . He then had his stroke. The new prime minister wanted to carry it further. Somehow someone fucked it up. What you say about transforming Israel int oa Middle Eastern country is frightening. Are you wanting Israel to go back to the 6th century? Exactly what the hell are you saying ? It is a Middle Eastern country in the form that Israel wants it to be. Your thing about flower power seems bizarre in this context.

Seth says
M 2006-08-30 20:37:53 4285
It would be easier to parse what you are saying if the links led to the op-ed. Like I said before it looked like everything was going to work out there for a while after Sharon got out of Gaza . He then had his stroke. The new prime minister wanted to carry it further. Somehow someone fucked it up. What you say about transforming Israel into a Middle Eastern country is frightening. Are you wanting Israel to go back to the 6th century? Exactly what the hell are you saying? It is a Middle Eastern country in the form that Israel wants it to be. Your thing about flower power seems bizarre in this context.
Well hopefully you could parse the comment enough to know that it was the former IDF officer named Avi Azieli who wrote this op-ed piece which said "Israel must dare to consider a change of paradigm: transform itself into a Middle Eastern country" and not me. To be sure he chose his words carefully to shock you and apparently he did.   What caught my attention was that here is a former officer in the IDF who has been involved with the actual fighting who is acknowledging that "Israel must dare to consider a change of paradigm".  If you actually read his article you would know that "wanting Israel to go back to the 6th century" was not in his senario.  What was most definitely in his senario was that Isralie people should learn to talk the language of the region in which they live.  If you think about it that would certainly be a good idea, if for no other reason than to gather better intelligence data.  

What i am saying is directed against your apparent lack of ability to think outisde of the loop ... (eg: "Total pacifism doesn't work because eventually the aggressor will want everything you have & then boot your ass out the door.") ... but here is someone involved in the fighting who can think outside of that loop.  Israel does need a paradigm shift in their thinking.  Azrieli goes a bit far even from my view, but the winning paradigm shift would be equally as dramatic.

Mark de LA says
seth 2006-08-31 02:09:12 4285
"Israel must dare to consider a change of paradigm". 
What i am saying is directed against your apparent lack of ability to think outisde of the loop ... (eg: "Total pacifism doesn't work because eventually the aggressor will want everything you have & then boot your ass out the door.") ... but here is someone involved in the fighting who can think outside of that loop.  Israel does need a paradigm shift in their thinking.  Azrieli goes a bit far even from my view, but the winning paradigm shift would be equally as dramatic.
     If your links had been close last night I might have been able to find it. I have been thinking outside the loop with my [proposal: item 3796] & others for a long time, recently I simplified it.  Avi Azieli's has about the same chance as mine, except that mine has a reciprocity that Azieli's doesn't.  Azieli's is somewhat like forcing all the school children in California to speak Spanish to understand the culture of the Mexicans. Similarly force all the San Franciscan's to learn Chinese in order to understand that city's minorities.  Would the Arabs & other Middle Easterners learn Hebrew & Yiddish ? As a matter of fact one of the complaints in the Persian Journal 4274 was that the Arabs cultural invaders were forcing out the Farsi language in Iran.  One way to conquer a people is to drive out their native language.
     The terms paradigm shift, Arab street, & outside the loop are usually clues to me that the person writing has nothing real as a solution. It takes a long time or shock & awe violence to shift a paradigm (like Hiroshima & the Emperor's divinity). The Arab street is a euphemism for staged demonstrations (or pretentious insider information of an outsider to the thinking of Arabs.) Outside the loop usually means I don't want to face the problem I'm dealing with.
     Find real solutions!

Seth says
It is always nice to report on other hints of peace, however faint. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2006-09-03 11:08:20 4285
It is always nice to report on other hints of peace, however faint. 
source: But Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora reacted coolly, saying Lebanon will be the last Arab country that signs a peace treaty with Israel.
...

Mark de LA says
O, Yeah ?
uri http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/03/wmid03.xml suggests otherwise:
source: ...
'Hezbollah is arming Gaza for a new war on Israel', says Israel's spy chief
... Maybe Ahmadinejad said it right to Kofi Anan - he won't rearm the Hezbos in Lebanon, He's rearming them in the Gaza & the West Bank!

Seth says
We continue to hear faint sounds of peace from this same source ...
source: Uneasy alliance brings hope Ed Oloughlin, Jerusalem
RIVAL Palestinian factions are about to form a unity government in the hope of ending a crippling international aid embargo, while Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has signalled a fresh willingness to talk to the Palestinians.
Ending the "crippling internationail aid embargo" and distributing the taxes collected from the Palestaninas would go a long way in making those areas less prone to spaun terrorists. 

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