Taliban sign peace pact

Originally posted 2006-09-05

The Taliban have moved across the boarder into Pakistan where now they have signed a peae pact with a regime that is supposed to be our allie in the war against terror.  This certainly complicates the US war against terror. 

source: Aljazeera
Under the agreement, the pro-Taliban forces have agreed to stop attacks both in Pakistan and in Afghanistan.

The government will stop air and ground operations in Waziristan and dismantle newly-built checkpoints.

People arrested during military operations are to be released and confiscated property, including weapons, returned.

Malik Shahzada, a member of a tribal council overseeing the negotiations, said: "The agreement will pave the way for permanent peace in the region."
   
The agreement was signed on Tuesday at a football ground at a college in Miranshah, the main town of the North Waziristan region.

Members of the tribal council watched as a Pakistani army commander, Major-General Azhar Ali Shah, embraced representatives of the fighters after the pact was signed.
Can anyone find this story covered on CNN ?   Can anyone explain why it is headline news in India and the Arab world, but ignored by mainstream US media?

I will bet that there are quite a number of people in state department and in the Bush administration who are having an "oh shit" moment just about now.  Doubtlessly they are thinking how to spin it.  Me thinks they will hope that nobody notices.  Please let me know if any Republican spin doctors even deal with the topic.

source: Talibanistan: The Establishment of the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan

According to an anonymous intelligence source, the terms of the truce includes:

 - The Pakistani Army is abandoning its garrisons in North and South Waziristan.
- The Pakistani Military will not operate in North Waziristan, nor will it monitor actions the region.
- Pakistan will turn over weapons and other equipment seized during Pakistani Army operations.
- The Taliban and al-Qaeda have set up a Mujahideen Shura (or council) to administer the agency.
- The truce refers to the region as

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  4. fighting terrorism
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  6. item 4336
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Comments


Mark de LA says
seth 2006-09-05 16:42:14 4336
M 2006-09-05 16:37:21 4336
Btw, this is the area of the madrassas about which you warned in 3985 that "The people who fight this are not war mongers".  This breeding ground is a big deal if you are really serious about fighting terrorism.  My point here is that stratigetically we have been outmaneuvered on this battlefield. 
How so?  Basically the last I read 9 had been killed in Afganistan & they had 700 surrounded. In what way is that a loss ? That's like being in a boxing ring & being outmaneuvered by your opponent to have your fist on his chin for a knockout!
I have no idea what you are talking about here.  9 what?  There are slews of madrassas and most of them are in that area of Pakistan which has now signed a treaty with the Musharaf government. 
Taliban (9) + 700 it's one of the others.  Must have speed-read thru the Madrassas stuff - they are all over the Middle East.

Mark de LA says
Yeah, I don't know what that means.  The first article I read was on the Afgan side of the conflict here. Which sounded like in Afganistan there several killed and 700 Taliban surrounded. Lots of other articles on the same event.  That part of Pakistan is fairly lawless considering it's topology.


Seth says
M 2006-09-05 14:15:50 4336
Yeah, I don't know what that means.  The first article I read was on the Afgan side of the conflict here. Which sounded like in Afganistan there several killed and 700 Taliban surrounded. Lots of other articles on the same event.  That part of Pakistan is fairly lawless considering it's topology.
I have no idea how your comment bears on this item.  Perhaps you could enlighten me.  Note this item is about a peace treaty between the Taliban and Pakistan.

Mark de LA says
seth 2006-09-05 14:21:21 4336
M 2006-09-05 14:15:50 4336
Yeah, I don't know what that means.  The first article I read was on the Afgan side of the conflict here. Which sounded like in Afganistan there several killed and 700 Taliban surrounded. Lots of other articles on the same event.  That part of Pakistan is fairly lawless considering it's topology.
I have no idea how your comment bears on this item.  Perhaps you could enlighten me.  Note this item is about a peace treaty between the Taliban and Pakistan.
In other words in Pakistan on one side of the border to Afganistan where the US is involved it is going swimmingly for the good guys. On the other side of the border in Pakistan in the essentially lawless mountains the Pakistan government has decided to cool it. Expand your narrow view, please - that  is what makes your insuinuations like your sound-byte absurd!

Seth says
M 2006-09-05 14:31:32 4336
In other words in Pakistan on one side of the border to Afganistan where the US is involved it is going swimmingly for the good guys. On the other side of the border in Pakistan in the essentially lawless mountains the Pakistan government has decided to cool it.
The net effect of our gains in Afganistan have been effectively nutralized.  But now the situation is worse than when we started.  Now we cannot go after the terrorists because we would also need to invade the territory of our allie.  As i said above, "This certainly complicates the US war against terror".  Ask yourself, how are we to clean up this breeding ground for terrorists in the Waziristan tribal region ?  No, this is not good news for the war on terror ... no, this is not things going swimmingly.

Mark de LA says
I don't see this as any big deal.  President Musharaf has done a pretty good balancing act between the religious fanatics & the secularists in his country. They have the bomb you know. The taliban up in the mountains are mostly tribal & somewhere amongst them may be Osama ben Laden.


Seth says
M 2006-09-05 14:28:39 4336
Neither of these made the front page of the World News section.

Seth says
I'm seriously thinking of going out on a limb here and asserting that there is no way that Musharaf is our allie in the war against terror. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2006-09-05 16:31:29 4336
M 2006-09-05 16:12:37 4336
I don't see this as any big deal.  President Musharaf has done a pretty good balancing act between the religious fanatics & the secularists in his country. They have the bomb you know. The taliban up in the mountains are mostly tribal & somewhere amongst them may be Osama ben Laden.
Btw, this is the area of the madrassas about which you warned in 3985 that "The people who fight this are not war mongers".  This breeding ground is a big deal if you are really serious about fighting terrorism.  My point here is that stratigetically we have been outmaneuvered on this battlefield. 
How so?  Basically the last I read 9 had been killed in Afganistan & they had 700 surrounded. In what way is that a loss ? That's like being in a boxing ring & being outmaneuvered by your opponent to have your fist on his chin for a knockout!

Mark de LA says
seth 2006-09-05 15:42:43 4336
M 2006-09-05 14:31:32 4336
In other words in Pakistan on one side of the border to Afganistan where the US is involved it is going swimmingly for the good guys. On the other side of the border in Pakistan in the essentially lawless mountains the Pakistan government has decided to cool it.
The net effect of our gains in Afganistan have been effectively nutralized.  But now the situation is worse than when we started.  Now we cannot go after the terrorists because we would also need to invade the territory of our allie.  As i said above, "This certainly complicates the US war against terror".  Ask yourself, how are we to clean up this breeding ground for terrorists in the Waziristan tribal region ?  No, this is not good news for the war on terror ... no, this is not things going swimmingly.
I suspect you are hoping for bad news which isn't there. The Taliban are a small part of Packistan in the mountain region.
source: ... The net effect of our gains in Afganistan have been effectively nutralized.  But now the situation is worse than when we started.
...Otherwise, CNN would be all over it.
 

Seth says
M 2006-09-05 16:12:37 4336
I don't see this as any big deal.  President Musharaf has done a pretty good balancing act between the religious fanatics & the secularists in his country. They have the bomb you know. The taliban up in the mountains are mostly tribal & somewhere amongst them may be Osama ben Laden.
Btw, this is the area of the madrassas about which you warned in 3985 that "The people who fight this are not war mongers".  This breeding ground is a big deal if you are really serious about fighting terrorism.  My point here is that stratigetically we have been outmaneuvered on this battlefield. 

Seth says
M 2006-09-05 16:22:12 4336
seth 2006-09-05 16:14:32 4336
M 2006-09-05 14:28:39 4336
Neither of these made the front page of the World News section.
Like I said it's not a big deal.


Seth says
M 2006-09-05 16:33:01 4336
Now, this one sounds more interesting:  
Interesting, we will see if it makes the ABC news tonight.  Perhaps ABC is a bit more pro the democratic party than cann ... im just learning about the bias distinctions of the various channels.

Seth says
M 2006-09-05 16:37:21 4336
Btw, this is the area of the madrassas about which you warned in 3985 that "The people who fight this are not war mongers".  This breeding ground is a big deal if you are really serious about fighting terrorism.  My point here is that stratigetically we have been outmaneuvered on this battlefield. 
How so?  Basically the last I read 9 had been killed in Afganistan & they had 700 surrounded. In what way is that a loss ? That's like being in a boxing ring & being outmaneuvered by your opponent to have your fist on his chin for a knockout!
I have no idea what you are talking about here.  9 what?  There are slews of madrassas and most of them are in that area of Pakistan which has now signed a treaty with the Musharaf government. 

Seth says
Excuse me, perhaps it was not 3985 where you mentioned the madrases.  Here is your actual quote ...
M 2006-08-07 09:31:29 4044
Do the Christian camps preach & brainwash HATE ? The madrases do. Is your moral equivalency showing?
Well most of those madrases are in that area of Pakistan.  I believe that this was filmed there, but i cannot prove it.  

Seth says
source: Slow learning curve at Pakistan's madrassas By Ron Synovitz
When Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf announced plans to reform the country's 10,000 madrassas almost two years ago, he said the move was necessary because some of the private Islamic schools had become breeding grounds for "intolerance and hatred".
Read the whole article it gives a good analysis of the madrases in Pakistan. 

Seth says
M 2006-09-06 07:33:15 4336
Story moves on a bit - meeting between Karzai & Musharraf.  You will get a different picture from S's initial strange evaluation of the situation there if you browse around in the Google News today on the subject.
Well i read around there and did not get a different picture, except that the "State Department spokesman Sean McCormack" was "was unaware of the agreement", which does not bode well. Interesting that this story is the top story in memorandum which is where i found the better map and the most complete text of the "truce".  Memorandum has the story more about Bin Laden but i think that missess the scope of the problem.

Mark de LA says
Sean McCormack" was "was unaware of the agreement", which does not bode well.
The statement is diplomatese for the diplomats haven't worked out the language for a response on it yet.  You hear that kind of shit all the time from lawyers & diplomats - nothing more sinister than lawyers & diplomats in it.

Seth says
M 2006-09-06 10:19:57 4336
Hhmmmm... & CNN breaks this news now:    here
Pakistan: No bin Laden arrest deal


Seth says
Updated coverage, emphasis mine ...
source: Aljazeera: Musharraf, Karzai to build trust

Musharraf also said Pakistan would never allow foreign forces - hunting al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters on the Afghan side of the border - onto its side of the border.

"On our side of the border there will be a total uprising if a foreigner enters that area," he said. "It's not possible at all, we will never allow any foreigners into that area. It's against the culture of the people there."

"On our side of the border there will be a total uprising if a foreigner enters that area ... we will never allow any foreigners into that area"

The Pakistani leader gave reassurances that a "peace deal" reached by Islamabad on Tuesday with pro-Taliban rebels in the North Waziristan tribal belt along the Afghan border was intended to curb militant activity.

The deal was "no Taliban activity on our side of the border or across the border in Afghanistan", Musharraf said.

Karzai welcomed the agreement as a "positive step." He said Afghanistan would wait to see if it proved effective.

"Let's wait. If it works well, we are happy. If it doesn't work we'll find another way."

What i bolded above is what i am talking about as "complicating" our fight against terrorism. Now i understand Musharraf's position, but at the same time just who is supposed to eliminate this safe haven for terrorists?  Musharraf just signed a truce saying that it would not be him.  He states that is cannot be US.  Then who will do the job?  Does the script go that they will just evaporate?  Really, help me here, what am i missing? 

Seth says
Here is another report ...
source:  Pakistan cedes North Waziristan to rebel tribesmen
The deal is widely viewed as a face-saving retreat for the Pakistani army, which has taken a heavy battering at the hands of the mountain tribesmen and militants. The government has in effect ceded the militants a sanctuary in North Waziristan.
contrast that with the part of the story that Mark gave us from CNN ...
source: Pakistan: No bin Laden arrest deal
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) -- Pakistan's prime minister has disputed a news report that said Osama bin Laden would not face capture if he agreed to lead a "peaceful life."
Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz told CNN on Wednesday that "anybody who is wanted or is a terrorist or has committed acts of terror anywhere in the world and is wanted, there is no immunity for such people."
And, Aziz added, that "this notion that anybody who has a record as a terrorist will get safe haven -- we would not even think of doing that."
In fact, you need to look closely to grok that this is even realted to the truce.  For whatever reason, as of 1 PM today,  CNN has still witheld an objective detailed coverage of this story. 

Seth says
It's not me others on the blogosphere are worried about this too.  
source: Sideways on Donklephant
After 9/11 we set out on a course of punishing the Taliban and denying Al Qaeda the use of this safe haven. Our purpose was not primarily to bring democracy to Afghanistan, or build schools for Afghan girls, but to improve our own security by denying Al Qaeda a secure base of operations.
...

The Taliban were overthrown. Osama Bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahiri escaped, along with a number of Taliban, over the border (we believe) into the Waziristan region in southern Pakistan. The Pakistani government


Seth says
This might shed some light on Musharaf's motivation for this truce ...
source: WSJ
Pakistan's decision to end a military offensive against Islamic militants in the country's troubled northwest frontier reflects mounting pressure on President Pervez Musharraf to deal with an even bigger security problem: a growing rebellion in the resource-rich province of Baluchistan.

Political analysts say Gen. Musharraf, boxed in by a pair of increasingly costly conflicts, has been forced to focus on the more important political threat to his government -- the Baluch separatist movement -- even if it means U.S.-led forces across a porous border in Afghanistan could pay a price for the Pakistani military's withdrawal from the northwest region of ...
... after all we all have our priorities.

Seth says
M 2006-09-09 11:21:04 4336
 Nothing to hyperventilate about.
Perhaps.  This is a case, me thinks, where any further analysis needs to have an extensional approach.  I will be collecting instances where some terrorist is traced back to this region.  Every instance i find, i will count as support for hyperventillation.  If i find none, then i will put a paper bag over my head.  Can you see the value of an extensional approach?

Mark de LA says
M 2006-09-09 11:16:02 4336
The story has many different interpretations. See the story here about No troop withdrawal from N. Waziristan: governor .  Nothing to hyperventilate about.
Google offers 496 more in this batch today 9/9/06

Mark de LA says

This is prolly old news but showed up today in WorldNetDaily - Musharraf admits Osama moved family to Pakistan - here



Seth says
source: The Australian
PAKISTAN'S embattled President yesterday thumbed his nose at Washington and the NATO-led coalition fighting in Afghanistan, concluding a third "peace deal" with Taliban-supporting militants in a key border region.

Pervez Musharraf's latest accord with the militants covers the tribal area of Bajaur where al-Qa'ida No2 Ayman al-Zawahiri is believed to have escaped a coalition airstrike last year. It is in the heartland of the zone where US special forces have been hunting a resurgent al-Qa'ida.

Washington opposed the "peace deals" concluded by General Musharraf last year in North and South Waziristan. It claims they have led to a growth in the insurgency in the area, with Pakistani forces retreating and leaving the militants largely unchallenged.

Note that this the mountanous area that is contiguous with Tora Bora through which Bin Laden eacaped.


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