Blogging on a Higher Plane

I wonder what two brilliant minds, such as Seth & Mark could come up with in a creative context if not so occupied with wasting time on the news.

In a way the news is a most flagrant example of the RWG.  What is the news except what is wrong to worry about today? Maybe 10% of the so-called news is about feel-good stories or nice stories; the rest being something that's wrong in society or government or elsewhere.  Contrary to almost all the news is Oprah's African School project which is one of the few news items that I can't find negatives in - it seems all positive - free of the RWG. There are other possibilities. Maybe there are ways to take blogging to a higher plane where others would want to join in the adventure or create positive projects.

I think there is even a higher plane than win-win & that is creative-positive - a Synergy of Humans in tune with all the rest of life.

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Comments


Mark de LA says
 Remember we started out as a synergy of individuals.

Mark de LA says
M 2006-10-11 08:53:39 4636
P.S. Creative-positive starts out with a desire or a vision that is something besides a fix for something that is wrong. Sometimes it is hard to express a desire of this kind without trying to fix something.

I think that one of the best examples of this was JFK's speech on we're going to the Moon in this generation & MLK's speech I have a dream.
FYI, the phrases I have a dream ... & in my dreams ... are fairly hypnotic phrases for speech making & self inspiration.


Mark de LA says
The Spirit of America, an archangel, is more than an angel & more than a human being in the hierarchy of the Cosmos. In watching Obama's first news conference today I noticed that perhaps he is touched by that sobering realization. The Spirit of America is not some intellectual idea hatched by a human being. I shall use the feminine her & she for a while, but just for brevity; I think an archangel transcends sex. Few, if any, are truly blessed who grok her full being in reality.
... nb: copied from [node: item 10793]

Mark de LA says
This item is an interesting blast from the past ~ 2006. 10793 referenced in one of the comments is also interesting from the perspective of the election.  It had a large amount of naivete along side of today's partisanship. The idea that solutions can come from a vision & methodology totally focused on the positive & not a fix to something wrong with what is there now will probably have to wait for an advanced civilization. The invitation still stands, but a fundamental to it's success is starting in a future where a compelling vision of something positive is created for us to move toward & then creating the steps in reverse order until you arrive at the present. Working from possibility to reality is invigorating. Let's try it some day or perhaps in our next life.

Mark de LA says
This is a blast from the past - 5 years, 5 months & 5 days ago! The funny thing is the vision thingy (as GWB called it) seems to be a common thread amongst those who want to transform their own lives & inspire transformation of others' & the World -  LOA, Tony Robbins, Dr. Wayne Dyer, The Secret, Landmark Education (& EST), & many many others including GW (in the V.P. of the G.'.B.'.G.'.).
Just having a vision is not enough. We need renewal & refinement & realization to have it in the World. That is what we need for ourselves, each other, America & the World. Think globally yet act locally - the faults you lay aside may be your own.
 

Mark de LA says
... & as an example, Rudolph Steiner was tireless in accomplishment!


Mark de LA says
seth 2012-03-16 11:03:30 4636
Yes, vision is not enough ... what one does, and what one says to others, does make a difference.  It helps to really believe that. 
... & it takes more than belief.  Working backward from the vision to what must come before that until you get to the present where you can actually accomplish something with action is the point.


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-03-31 07:42:07 4636
Einai 2014-03-31 07:38:58 4636
8 years ago this group showed up - wonder what happened?

What group?
My group with this header, eh?

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-03-31 08:03:03 4636
Well you can just change the offset in the URL and try and error back to the start.  For example, this will get you back to 2005 ... you might want to try a binary search technique.
That's exactly what I did before & do NOT like to do. I then edited the header to contain that item number - I think I did that for group projects.  I don't think it is a stable link however.


Mark de LA says
I still like the sentiment in this item, however the Opra Link seems to have turned into self-promotion & I had heard elsewhere that the school had some scandals. I may rewrite the item & choose a different example.


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-03-31 07:52:17 4636
Einai 2014-03-31 07:46:40 4636
seth 2014-03-31 07:42:07 4636
Einai 2014-03-31 07:38:58 4636
8 years ago this group showed up - wonder what happened?

What group?
My group with this header, eh?

do you not remember the group name?
do you not notice the group name in the item?
Since then I made a different group header. It is probably back at the beginning somewhere.  It would be nice if were easier to get back to the beginning of the group than playing with the offset parameter.

Seth says
Well you can just change the offset in the URL and try and error back to the start.  For example, this will get you back to 2005 ... you might want to try a binary search technique.

Mark de LA says
seth 2015-09-14 02:35:12 4636
(;-)) 2015-09-13 10:06:29 4636
seth 2014-03-31 08:42:12 4636
Well your ...
I think there is even a higher plane than win-win & that is creative-positive - a Synergy of Humans in tune with all the rest of life.
... certainly speaks to me .

Thing is that discord will exist ... it can not be squelched out ... nor would that squelch improve the synergy.  So, me thinks, the question becomes how to strike a relationship even with that.
Seems as if you are saying that discord must exist - possibly always.
see: ...
discord (n.) Look up discord at Dictionary.comearly 13c., descorde, "unfriendly feeling, ill will;" also "dissention, strife," from Old French descorde (12c.) "disagreement," from Latin discordia, from discors (genitive discordis) "disagreeing, disagreement," from dis- "apart" (see dis-) + cor (genitive cordis) "heart," from PIE root *kerd- "heart" (see heart). Musical sense is late 14c.
I am saying it doesn't have to exist on a higher plane ...

Sure  .... inner subjective peace is great  ....
sharing that outwardly in the world, even better  .

For example, #agreeing
It is interesting that you went in a different direction . You brought up inner subjective peace as if it were related.  How? Inner or outer (how is that related?) Better than what?  Your emoteys seem to suggest agreement, but your text seems to be a recurring theme which is one of your favorite tangents.


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-03-31 08:42:12 4636
Well your ...
I think there is even a higher plane than win-win & that is creative-positive - a Synergy of Humans in tune with all the rest of life.
... certainly speaks to me .

Thing is that discord will exist ... it can not be squelched out ... nor would that squelch improve the synergy.  So, me thinks, the question becomes how to strike a relationship even with that.
Seems as if you are saying that discord must exist - possibly always.
see: ...
discord (n.) Look up discord at Dictionary.comearly 13c., descorde, "unfriendly feeling, ill will;" also "dissention, strife," from Old French descorde (12c.) "disagreement," from Latin discordia, from discors (genitive discordis) "disagreeing, disagreement," from dis- "apart" (see dis-) + cor (genitive cordis) "heart," from PIE root *kerd- "heart" (see heart). Musical sense is late 14c.
I am saying it doesn't have to exist on a higher plane ...


Mark de LA says
is 2015-09-14 07:18:40 4636

... AND you did not explain your discord will exist thingy (;-( - how so?
Lost focus perhaps?


Seth says
(;-)) 2015-09-14 07:11:29 4636
seth 2015-09-14 02:35:12 4636
(;-)) 2015-09-13 10:06:29 4636
seth 2014-03-31 08:42:12 4636
Well your ...
I think there is even a higher plane than win-win & that is creative-positive - a Synergy of Humans in tune with all the rest of life.
... certainly speaks to me .

Thing is that discord will exist ... it can not be squelched out ... nor would that squelch improve the synergy.  So, me thinks, the question becomes how to strike a relationship even with that.
Seems as if you are saying that discord must exist - possibly always.
see: ...
discord (n.) Look up discord at Dictionary.comearly 13c., descorde, "unfriendly feeling, ill will;" also "dissention, strife," from Old French descorde (12c.) "disagreement," from Latin discordia, from discors (genitive discordis) "disagreeing, disagreement," from dis- "apart" (see dis-) + cor (genitive cordis) "heart," from PIE root *kerd- "heart" (see heart). Musical sense is late 14c.
I am saying it doesn't have to exist on a higher plane ...

Sure  .... inner subjective peace is great  ....
sharing that outwardly in the world, even better  .

For example, #agreeing
It is interesting that you went in a different direction . You brought up inner subjective peace as if it were related.  How? Inner or outer (how is that related?) Better than what?  Your emoteys seem to suggest agreement, but your text seems to be a recurring theme which is one of your favorite tangents.


Well strangely enough your post resonated with me all weekend.  My original reaction was to say, "it's a matter of faith whether discord exists even at some "high" frame of reference ... so , great, have it that peace exists at the highest frame, have it the way you like it ... that is positive thinking".  That is, after all, how matters which cannot actually be decided rationally end up being determined  in our culture, by gut faith.  I claim nobody (or nothing) can stand in a frame of reference which would objectively eliminate all discord ... or the universe would be just one homogenic existence and we would not be separate from each other. 

We do know of people who imply by their words that they have achieved total inner peace.  That is explained by their peace being subjective and inside them with no discord from outside of them being interpreted or absorbed.  So that is how this inner/outer becomes related when we speak of discord ... i cannot ignore this well known aspect of discord and think clearly about this matter.

Better than what?
... better is a relative term.  I was comparing merely having inner peace, to sharing that inner peace with the rest of the world.  So, i'm claiming the latter is better than the former.  Just because we cannot stand on ultimate and absolute frames of reference, does not mean that we cannot compare frames of reference that we can stand on.  Relative comparisons actually work quite well.
Your emoteys seem to suggest agreement, but your text seems to be a recurring theme which is one of your favorite tangents.
... well apparently a discord with "sharing peace outwardly in the world" which you describe as my "favorite tangent" exists only internally in you, yet out here external to you, i think it is integrally related.  A perfect example of the inner/outer topology of this discord thingy of which we speak ... no?

Mark de LA says
Throwing everything in your bucket of faith which I presume you don't have much faith in doesn't prove anything logically or emotionally - except perhaps for you. Faith is another kind of belief that requires no logical proof; most of which is missing from your own exposition in such regard by the birdies of culture, inner & outer worlds etc. & use of authorities which you invent without quotes & references.

This item was intended to remove the bipolarity of constant argumentation.  I can see that it failed.

perhaps you are right - can't be done. Your inner peace thingy or any other side track is unavoidable.

 
Perhaps somewhere in childhood the impact of GW's social throttling to keep the family intact conflicted with your desires of self-expression outside.  In any case you were only ~18 when you left & the rest is all on you.  Maybe give up the battle. Maybe not.  It is one that does not resonate with me. I feel no such restriction & as a matter of course enjoy stronger communication where real communication is possible.  The selfie generation has pretty much destroyed such a possibility of throttling communication ever again within a family except as managed by governments to control the freedom of the populations to their own ends.



Holmes says
I stopped watching, listening to, and reading news about when this post was first made, around 2006. My life since has been drastically improved and more interesting!

The only news that is relevant to me is that which comes naturally to me by attraction to my state of being. All other news is relevant to someone else and I only muddle my own energy by taking in what is meant for them.

Si says
seth 2016-01-14 18:37:29 [item 4636#42070]
pondering hmmm … i had been looking for this peculiar thought … i think mark privitized it some time ago to hid rwg … but it may have some good intentios … especially the title,  “Blogging on a higher plane” , … i mean is that not what we are trying to do here?
like

Seth says
in it we can find the paradoxical beauty/uglyness of this inner/outer membrane porus/solid which has gone by the sign “ego” in our thoughts smuggrin

Seth says
null the relationship of #bloggingOnHigherPlane to #deepHumanInteraction is a #match !

… isn’t  that #surprising ?

Seth says
do you remember the spirit which made this thought?

me, i have not forgotten it … for me it evolved into #center4consciousness and of course other stuff.  like for example how we can think better here than we did circa 2015.   did you notice, mark ?

Seth says
i don’t think it is a tangent.  i think the person is quite confused, who does not believe that there is an inside of themselves where only they are  aware and feel, and an outside which the rest of the world perceives.   That does form a most undeniable edge in my ontology.  It is part of the very structure on which i play my life. 

see #insides

Mark de LA says
Apparently it was not hidden. I haven’t re-read the whole thing – just the original thought. It would be nice to have something pragmatic & practical out of it instead of philosophy or ontology or a set of rules or voluntary censors or sadly another pile of words. One needs to generate the being of what is wanted , speak it, be an example of it & be in complete integrity with it. 
Nice picture & article here. Perhaps merely inspiration. I just liked the picture.
 & maybe needs more of the heart chakra. 
codeword – θιρθχαρά 

Mark de LA says
thirth (θιρθ) a community in people angdeeandtungyun 

Seth says

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