Discourses & Radical Islam

Radical Islam survives through the media & demonstrations; locally via violent tactics & strategies; long term via madrasahs & mosques which indoctrinate & educate children & adults. The mosques serve as centers for organizing cells for radical Islamic purposes as well as religious purposes.  I suspect that without publicity & media attention given to radical acts that most of radical Islam would die out.  Currently radical Islam is being spread by the Internet as well.

Keep 4882 in mind when commenting here. This is a solutions, metamorphosis & transformational  motivated node. This node is not for political purposes, nor flame-wars & such will be deleted unceremoniously!

Some things to discuss or think about related to this topic to get the ball rolling:
  1. What comes up for you when you become aware of stuff about radical Islam in media of all kinds? Include feelings, thought patterns, young & old conversations, etc.
  2. Do you ever grok or experience aha!s that counter the trends of #1 above? What are they?
  3. What conversations have you observed in yourself or others that would further religious peace in this area? ... the opposite ?
  4. Come up with a vision & strategy to gather a critical mass of tolerance for all beliefs & religions to which radical Islam will be able to submit.
  5. How would you get stakeholders in Islam & other religions to listen in a different way to your visions & discoveries on this topic ?
  6. Do you think that radical Islam intends to conquer the World? What for? What would be the result? Why?
  7. ...TBD (submit other questions to explore)

Tags

  1. discourses
  2. radical islam

Comments


Mark de LA says
Sorry, Seth I pushed the wrong button. The trash can is way to close to the quote. I was intending the quote.  Hope you will post it again. 


Seth says
source: item above
I suspect that without publicity & media attention given to radical acts that most of radical Islam would die out.
I see no evidance of that. Rather,me thinks, these ideas are being spread in mosks and madrasah, quite in isolation to the media.
  1. revulsion
  2. not that i can recall. 
  3. for Islam to embrace tolerance
  4. I am not close enough to how things work in the Muslim world to come up with anything practical here.  I seriously doubt that it can come from outside the Muslim world. Perhaps tolerant Muslim voices could infiltrate the movement, gain leadership roles, and transform it from within.
  5. My vision in #4 above and in my fatwa is already a common view in the world.  I have heard it repeated again and again.  The question is why is it not happening very much already.  To know that i need more study to gain understanding, not more people listening to me.  I need is to listen, not to talk.  It is clearer to me when people speak words that give radical Muslims fuel for their fire.  Getting those people to shut up is just about all i can do at the moment ... but i don't even know how to do that.
  6. Islam wants to become the world's religion, but so does Christianity.  In that regard there is very little difference except that Islam includes the political state and Christianity does not.  That the radical wings of these religions fight each other just makes the whole radical religious wing of the world bigger ... the solution is to work against radical religion of any sort. 
  7. tbd

Mark de LA says
Well, Seth this is NOT A TEST.  There are no right or wrong answers except those which are off-topic (previously mentioned). This node is intended for serious contemplation not quick answers.  In that vein, if you intend any more here, it would be nice if you included the question with the answer or rephrase what you want to talk about.  You could even try a focus on the 2nd or 3rd thing that comes to mind rather than just what is on the top of your list.
Thanks for participating.


Mark de LA says
source:
M: I suspect that without publicity & media attention given to radical acts that most of radical Islam would die out.
S: I see no evidance of that. Rather,me thinks, these ideas are being spread in mosks and madrasah, quite in isolation to the media.
Without the media, car-bombs, kid-nappings, rockets into Israel, pizza parlours being blown up by suicide bombers lose their impact (so to speak). They are playing to an audience. Otherwise they are just gangsters killing both their own & their enemies.  The hate is spread both in the madrasahs & the mosques. But, I don't see how without publicity to nurture their atrocities that they will be able to enflame their egoes. Without being able to publicize their being martyrs to the world who will care ?


Seth says
M 2006-11-05 13:00:12 4894
Without the media, car-bombs, kid-nappings, rockets into Israel, pizza parlours being blown up by suicide bombers lose their impact (so to speak). They are playing to an audience. Otherwise they are just gangsters killing both their own & their enemies.  The hate is spread both in the madrasahs & the mosques. But, I don't see how without publicity to nurture their atrocities that they will be able to enflame their egoes. Without being able to publicize their being martyrs to the world who will care ?
There is a measure of truth in what you say. However, the media does seem to be exercising some restraint in not reporting the grizzly details of each of the incidents ... usually the news reports only that one or more incidents happened.  As a citizen of the world, i don't want some filter between me and what is happening.  One of the foundations of a functioning democracy is a well informed citizens.  I see no practical change that would not end up being worse than what it would portend to fix ... do you?

Mark de LA says
I think you need to give up that it can't be done & ask more empowering questions such as if it were going to get done what do you expect would be some of the things that start showing up ? where?  Put more juice at stake in the mix. Now, if that is not worth it why not? Our Friend once woke out of a deep & probably confused sleep & exclaimed that 57 universes had been destroyed since material existence began!  What would happen to your heart if you were witnessing the final scene in Dr. Strangelove for real & they were playing humanity's song for the very last time. Would you not shed just one tear ? Cry out at least an "oh shit!"
Now get back in the game! You have no other option!


Mark de LA says
M 2006-11-05 15:49:32 4894
THIS NODE IS NOT FOR NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT DISCUSSIONS! GO TO 4880 if you must!
This node suffers from the same problem as 4880 - none of us is on the court of real life in this matter. See comments there in the body of the node; revised this AM.

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