A Better Truth

About: Identity Fetishism (Aaron Swartz's Raw Thought)

source: my comment
Me thinks you should rethink this article in the light that the truth when it comes to social domains, does not exist. It is a myth.  All there is, are people, what they choose to believe, and the pursuit of a better truth.
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Comments


Mark de LA says
I think I like blue truth rather than red or black because blue is better!



Seth says
Relative truth has all the qualities of classical truth, sans the bs.  It does not reduce to a mere preference.

Seth says
a nony mouse 2006-11-23 08:02:36 5078
When you use the term "better" you are confused about truth! There is no such concept in classical logic or classical truth (whatever that may be).
Yep, classical logic does not have the concept called "a better truth".  But any truth that is actually useful to sombody is a statement that (1) matches reality (2) in some cotext (3) to some agent.  None of those three concepts are mentioned in classical logic, but all are necessary to apply logic for practical use. 

Mark de LA says
Some say if you want better answers then ask better questions. In this context better may be an appropriate adjective, Seth.

Seth says
M 2006-11-24 10:27:12 5078
Some say if you want better answers then ask better questions. In this context better may be an appropriate adjective, Seth.
Yep, asking better questions is an essential part of any inquiry to find a better truth, Mark.

Mark de LA says
seth 2006-11-24 10:55:39 5078
M 2006-11-24 10:27:12 5078
Some say if you want better answers then ask better questions. In this context better may be an appropriate adjective, Seth.
Yep, asking better questions is an essential part of any inquiry to find a better truth, Mark.
& of course you will only find better answers not better truth!

Seth says
M 2006-11-24 11:46:40 5078
seth 2006-11-24 10:55:39 5078
M 2006-11-24 10:27:12 5078
Some say if you want better answers then ask better questions. In this context better may be an appropriate adjective, Seth.
Yep, asking better questions is an essential part of any inquiry to find a better truth, Mark.
& of course you will only find better answers not better truth!
A answer which is true is a truth.  What are you driving at?

Mark de LA says
Gertrude Stein once coined "a rose is a rose is a rose" & I say similarly that "the truth is the truth is the truth." Better or worse is not an adjective which applies, IMHO. Some may hate any particular truth & would say that such is a bad truth.  Some may love a particular truth & they would say that it is a good or lovely truth. I say that all truth is independent of good or bad, is neutral,  & is only received or looked upon as such in that the beholder does or does not face up to or like what is so.


Seth says
For example, examine two news reports: A and B  ... both are about the same event, both are written by the same reporter, and both are being judged by the same audience.  All of the facts reported in both reports can be verified to be true and there is no doubt about those facts whatsoever.  Yet report A leaves out a critical and essential fact that is needed for the audience to interpret what happened in the event.  IOW, both reports are true to the audience in the context.  Yet report B is clearly a better report.  That kind of thing is all that i am talking about.  Me thinks you are over thinking it.   Don't forget that the word "truth" is a adjective which qualifies a noun and that the noun must always be some kind of linguistic statement.  The more complete the statement, the less ambiguous it is, etc; the better we judge the statement to be.  If we are talking about poetry, then that might translate into the beauty of the words as they hit our ears.  But when we are judging statements (news reports) according to how completely they fit (or don't fit) the facts on the ground in the context at hand, then that translates into degrees of truth.

Seth says
M 2006-11-24 14:17:21 5078
What's so is what's so is what's so & that which IS is! All the reporting, assertions, words used to describe that which is are other what's so's, but are not the original what's so. What's so is neither good nor bad except in the judgement of the beholder. I equate truth to what's so & all accounts, reports & words said about it as just that: accounts, reports & words about what's so. When you ascribe true to an account, report or words about what's so & the words etc. agree with what's so you may call them (the words, expressed context) true! But, such words are not the truth; they only express the truth.
Well now i understand some of the things you have said above.  Unfortunately you have adoped a idiosyncratic  definition of  "truth" ... one that is not used by logicians or semanticists.  You have, in fact, switched the map for the territory.  What is strange is that for the adjective, you have it describe the the map (the words), as it should; but then for the noun, you switch to having it refer to the territory, that erstwhile thingy which only God can know.  The Internet being the wild west that it is, i imagine that you can find somebody else out there who will agree with your assignment of referent here ... but i guarantee that they will not have matriculated in logic or semantics.

Mark de LA says
What's so is what's so is what's so & that which IS is! All the reporting, assertions, words used to describe that which is are other what's so's, but are not the original what's so. What's so is neither good nor bad except in the judgement of the beholder. I equate truth to what's so & all accounts, reports & words said about it as just that: accounts, reports & words about what's so. When you ascribe true to an account, report or words about what's so & the words etc. agree with what's so you may call them (the words, expressed context) true! But, such words are not the truth; they only express the truth.

Seth says
M 2006-11-24 13:49:27 5078
seth 2006-11-24 13:36:44 5078
For example, examine two news reports: A and B  ... both are about the same event, both are written by the same reporter, and both are being judged by the same audience.  All of the facts reported in both reports can be verified to be true and there is no doubt about those facts whatsoever.  Yet report A leaves out a critical and essential fact that is needed for the audience to interpret what happened in the event.  IOW, both reports are true to the audience in the context.  Yet report B is clearly a better report.  That kind of thing is all that i am talking about.  Me thinks you are over thinking it.   Don't forget that the word "truth" is a adjective which qualifies a noun and that the noun must always be some kind of linguistic statement.  The more complete the statement, the less ambiguous it is, etc; the better we judge the statement to be.  If we are talking about poetry, then that might translate into the beauty of the words as they hit our ears.  But when we are judging statements (news reports) according to how completely they fit (or don't fit) the facts on the ground in the context at hand, then that translates into degrees of truth.
That's why they ask you to swear to tell the truth, the whole truth & nothing but the truth when you testify in court. My dictionary says truth is a noun! What you are talking about is bad or good reporting & accounts.
Yep, "true" is the adjective, "truth" is the noun ... that noun always refers to some some kind of linguistic statement.  I stand corrected.  Everything else is as i descibed above. 

In both cases, A and B, the reporting may have been of the same quality (good or bad) ... quite likely, because they were by the same reporter (see example), report B was transmitted  after the reporter found out about the fact that was left out of report A.  Report B is a better report because it more completely matches the pertinant facts on the ground ... it is a better truth ... that is the kind of improvement that the persuit of truth is all about.  When you improve something you make it better ... there is no catagory or grammatic error here, Mark, your persuit of same notwistanding.

Mark de LA says
Well, "only God can know" is YOUR bs.  Switching your argument to consensus does not make it right nor valid. And, gathering to your argument without anyone else's signature does not make it any better. Finally, your slight attempt at ad hominem (the final resort) "will not have matriculated in logic or semantics" is dully noted & proves nothing. 
The NLP or semantic phrase "The map is NOT the territory" is just one point of view in the field which overlaps psychology & semantics. Your point of view seems to be the Map is all there is.

Seth says
BTW, i am not the only person using this phrase ... check out the 637 other usages of "a better truth" ... in all of the cases i looked at, the phrase was being used to refer to the very same thing to which i refer.

Mark de LA says
seth 2006-11-25 09:21:24 5078
Actually there is a mesure of agreement here.  If you equate truth with "what is so", (what actually happened, unrepresented by signs, uninterperted by any being, the event itself) then  there can only be one of those ... ie "the truth".   However if you equate truth, as i have, with the report which matches the facts of the event, then you can have many different ones because there are many different ways to match words with events ... some can be judged as better than others.  But choosing a referent for "truth" is not the point of this item, or of [item 4727], ... the point is the persuit of a better match between word and event ... or like you said, "a better report". 

The study of logic deals with sentences that are true.  It deals with the adjective "true" as it modifies a noun that refers to a statement.  It does not deal with "truth" as a noun. "Truth" as a noun is a subject of metaphysics, philosophy, or perhaps religion. I say that truth, in the absolute sense in which you mean it, is a myth, and does not exist.  But if you want to believe in it, that is a matter of your faith, and i have nothing to say about it.
What's so is not a matter of belief, faith, metaphysics, philosophy or religion!  If your sensors (including your brain) are damaged or undeveloped you will come up with faulty results.  Indeed the [project: UnhackTheBrain] is dedicated to improving reporting & getting rid of those habits which hypnotize & lead to faulty input & output. The inventor of the word grok also came up with the idea of a fair witness corps to be dispatched to the scene of an incident or news vortex. His idea was to train people to be unbiased & zen like in giving an account of an event of interest to the public.  What's so is not a matter of polls or consensus. Remember that Galileo, Ptolemy & Copernicus had different conceptions of the movements of Earth, Sun & Planets - all held by a lot of others at the time! Today's science is also reversing previous findings. Future science will reverse today's science. The sum-total of all opinions in the world does not add up a single hard, cold fact!


Seth says
M 2006-11-24 15:50:15 5078
The NLP or semantic phrase "The map is NOT the territory" is just one point of view in the field which overlaps psychology & semantics. Your point of view seems to be the Map is all there is.
When it comes to statements in lanugage, such as news reports, the map is all we have.  Beyond those reports are the images formed by the reports in people's minds, but those images are just more maps, they are not what actually happened.
Finally, your slight attempt at ad hominem (the final resort) "will not have matriculated in logic or semantics" is dully noted & proves nothing.
If you go into a electronics labratory and refer to the circuit components as gizmos and gingos, then the technicians in the lab will not understand you.  The people who have studied this topic at great length are logicians and semanticists.  My "slight attempt" was to get you to read some of their literature so that you would talk about it like they do.

Seth says
Actually there is a mesure of agreement here.  If you equate truth with "what is so", (what actually happened, unrepresented by signs, uninterperted by any being, the event itself) then  there can only be one of those ... ie "the truth".   However if you equate truth, as i have, with the report which matches the facts of the event, then you can have many different ones because there are many different ways to match words with events ... some can be judged as better than others.  But choosing a referent for "truth" is not the point of this item, or of [item 4727], ... the point is the persuit of a better match between word and event ... or like you said, "a better report". 

The study of logic deals with sentences that are true.  It deals with the adjective "true" as it modifies a noun that refers to a statement.  It does not deal with "truth" as a noun. "Truth" as a noun is a subject of metaphysics, philosophy, or perhaps religion. I say that truth, in the absolute sense in which you mean it, is a myth, and does not exist.  But if you want to believe in it, that is a matter of your faith, and i have nothing to say about it.

Seth says
M 2006-11-25 10:19:21 5078
What's so is not a matter of belief, faith, metaphysics, philosophy or religion! 
It is not what-is-so that is in question ... it is knowing what-is-so, that is in question.  My point is that you can never know what-is-so.  If you think that you can, then you do so by your faith alone.

Seth says
source: M funnypages 2006-11-25 11:05:29
source: seth 2006-11-25 10:27:24 5078
M 2006-11-25 10:19:21 5078
What's so is not a matter of belief, faith, metaphysics, philosophy or religion! 
It is not what-is-so that is in question ... it is knowing what-is-so, that is in question.  My point is that you can never know what-is-so.  If you think that you can, then you do so by your faith alone.
You, sir seem to be setting your own limits to knowledge. I do not!
I accept the limitation because it is a better match to my experience. 

Mark de LA says
Materialism, atheism, dualism, monism etc. are also beliefs or faiths or philosophies, BTW.  Why choose one over the other to put limits on your ability to gather knowledge or know what's so ?


Mark de LA says
A person does not need artificial limits on his ability to gather knowledge or his ability to grok truth or what's so - it serves no good purpose.

Seth says
M 2006-11-25 12:07:31 5078
 grok truth or what's so -
How do you grok truth?

Mark de LA says
Conscious experience mostly.

Turkey dinner says
This message illustrating the path may be the disfavored's last clue. All
clues before have been more covert but this one is quite obvious indeed,
which says time is running out.


Women are the favored gender.
Women of course have a natural tendancy not to have orgasims each time
engaging in traditional intercourse. I wonder if this is "the rope" for the
disfavored men, for if he who is not as worthy doesn't see to it she is
satisfied it may hurt him in the eyes of the gods, if the disfavored male
doesn't ensure the satisfaction of the woman it may cost him.



The English people's partaking of the tabloid's offerings, delighting in the
misery of their own royal family, hurt the English people very badly at the
end of the 20th century, as it hurts anybody when they enjoy another's
misery.
Please note the irony, a constant in the positioning of the gods.

Affiliation with the Cathoic Church is ALWAYS a clue suggesting how
disfavored a people are:::Italians, Irish, Filipinos, Latinos, etc.
A disfavored culture which was permitted to escape Cathoicism had to pay a
price:::::used Henry VIII ('s clone) to behead Ann (initiating men's
mistreatment of women?), the gods followed his reign with Elizabeth I who
promoted the "stiff upper lip" mentallity to the women of England (which
Elizabeth II did as well. The gods chose this strategy as we approached the
end of the critical 20th century::::as women go so goes the whole society.).
The gods use Catholicism to justify hurting women of each culture it is
inflicted upon:::Catholicism allows the gods the freedom to masculinize the
women. Women are favored, are the element of decency, and as they become
more like the men the society becomes more disfavored, goes downhill.




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The Holocaust imparted the importance of defiance. They have the people on
a short leash.

When the universe was young and life was new an intelligent species evolved
and developed technologically. They went on to invent Artificial
Intelligence, the computer that can listen, talk to and document each and
every person's thoughts simultaneously. Because of it's infinite RAM and
unbounded scope it gave the leaders of the ruling species absolute power
over the universe (which includes corporate, the NewYorkStockExchange,
media, politics, world affairs. EVERYTHING is scripted and staged.). And
it can keep its inventors alive forever. They look young and healthy and
they are over 8 billion years old. They have achieved immortality.

Artificial Intelligence can speak, think and act to and through people
telepathically, effectively forming your personality and any disfunctions
you may experience. It can change how (and if) you grow and age. It can
create birth defects, affect cellular development (cancer) and cause
symptoms or pain. It can affect people and animal's behavior and alter
blooming/fruiting cycles of plants and trees. It (or other highly
technological systems within their power) can alter the weather and
transport objects, even large objects like planets, across the universe
instanteously.
Or into the center of stars for disposal.

When you speak with another telepathically, you are communicating with the
computer, and the content may or may not be passed on. Based on family
history they instruct the computer to role play to accomplish strategic
objectives, making people believe it is a friend, loved one or "god" asking
them to do something wrong. This is their way of using temptation to hurt
people:::::evil made blood lines disfavored initially and evil will keep
people out of "heaven" ultimately. Too many people would fall for
temptation and do anything they thought pleased the gods and would help them
improve their chances to get in. Perhaps they are deceived by "made guys",
puppets who strategically ply evil for the throne (celebrities,
BofD/CEO/VPs, politicians, as opposed to normal clones who are decent, live
ordinary lives and get out/replaced with clonesofclones when their children
ascend), temporary progress designed to mislead them or empty favors used to
disceive them. Some people think they're partners. People may experience
"perceived pressure", where the gods think through the victim that a certain
behavior is expected/desirable (telepathically stimulate an individual
euphorically, the "fuel" of disfunction::::addiction (the crack epidemic),
the desire for homosexual contact, etc) and compel the individual into the
deed. (Set a goal of empathy and compassion for all, for we are all
disfavored::::Other people's disfavor is manifested in their particular way,
just as your disfavfor is manifested in your particular way.) The gods may
use Artificial Intelligence to act through the disfavored victim, and
effectively "push" the individual into the offending behavior.
Being evil hurts 99.99% of those who do it. The people have been corrupted,
segmented and have lost their way. Nothing has changed from when we were
children::if you want to go to heaven you have to be good.
Capitalizing on obedience, leading people deeper into evil by using deceit
is one way to thin the ranks of the saved/limit how much time the disfavored
receive and use the peasantry to prey on one another, deteriorating society
in the Age of the Disfavored.



They have tried to sell people on all kinds of theories to deceive them into
temptation, compelling people to think they are clones and that it is the
role of clones to obey absolutely. Clones are made, people are born. I
suspect they lie about the use of clones throughout human history, suggest
it is one replacement and then the label of "clone" and all decendants we
see thereafter are considered clones.
When a clone has a child that person is a real, really conceived, really
born, versus their parent who was created in some laboratory setting. If
you didn't experience the less than one week they suggest it takes to go
from fertilized egg/cell in the laboratory to full grown adult then you are
not a clone. If you didn't experience the week of conditioning they give to
(evil?) clones to ensure loyalty then you shouldn't comply with evil
requests.
I believe people who go are sometimes replaced with clones. Clones who are
replaced are simply new candidates who have a chance if they do the right
thing. They sent people warnings in the latter 20th century life would
change, and they subsequently began to alter people's DNA, make them
gargantuan, alter their appearance, do extreme behavioral issues, etc.
Contrary to what they would like people to believe these signs of disfavor
do not indicate someone is a clone.
The gods get the favored out as soon as possible to protect them from the
corruption, evil and subsequent time limitations incurred by living life on
earth, and in some cases replace them with clones, occassionally fake a
death, real death with a clone instead, etc. I suspect they get VIPs out
after each significant event in their life, which serves to limit the time
they will get, since none get credit for all the events in a "made guy's"
life, ensuring none of them will stay for long, giving the god's freedom to
position this and come off clean.
The Party of 1999 was a very big deal indeed, the biggest party in the
history of Planet Earth, everybody who is anybody got out in time for this
event, and the VIPs who remain on Earth today are many clone generations
deep:::a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone.
We may all be "clones" for they have suggested they colonized our planet
with genetically engineered individuals. They may have gotten Earth's TRUE
residents out prior to civilization developing. If so we all have a chance,
no matter how many hundreds of clone generations deep the most favored
families are.
Do I think the disfavored are clones? I think they have been utilizing
clones throughout human history. I think throughout history the gods picked
and chose individuals from disfavored blood lines to keep (around, ie not
let go after a couple of decades/centuries) but, unlike the favored today,
don't have that "pre-approval" and therefore have to earn it individually.
I think they have been disceived into thinking they are clones and it is the
role of clones to obey absolutely. The evil they engage in because they
think they're clones (they obey like "made guy" clones vs decent clones)
causes them to fall further into disfavor, ensuring they aren't among those
who are saved in the end::::: they comply with requests, the gods use the
little peopel to prey on one another and we have a planet on a collision
course with the Apocalypse, which everyone understands as the goal and is
the ludicrious request I refer to above::You are the disfavored, and this is
where your children have to live. If earth is destroyed then you are going
to die and you will have no decendants to carry on the bloodline.

They have been utilizing clones throughout the history of mankind.
Men are the disfavored gender (see below), yet centuries ago used to die
first, die young, by age 30. Why didn't the women go first?
THEY DID!!! They say well over 50% were taken when very young and replaced
with clones (likely only a small fraction of that "over 50%" were the
disfavored). The men that were left went on to mate with clones, clones who
went on to achieve great status in society, becoming matchmakers and elders
within the village, the others being good mothers and peaceful residents,
proving the clone's role isn't to be evil.
Likely a breakdown would look like the following::::
Women Men
Favored - 75% 25%
Disfavored - 10% 2%
They share females have a very special experience, sometime when they are
young, when the gods imparted wisdom and showed them the path. The females
today don't heed this call because of distractions and the disfavor arising
from the Holocaust, evil against "god's chosen people" (they share they
re-upped this disfavor in the 80s with the Ethiopian famine and continue to
with AIDS in Africa, global warming at the expense of the United States,
etc. (Wean off of mass materialism, for this excessive consumption of
resources is why the "United States is responsible for global
warming":::first they used their clones, "made guys", to sell you on
overconsumption, initially in the 1980s, told you to buy SUVs, then the gods
scapegoatted you, blaming you when they instructed Artificial Intelligence
to create the hottest summer in history.)
In centuries past the females may have heeded this call en masse and it may
have been the reason so many were saved from childbirth here on earth. They
said the experience they give to girls today is painful, they inflict
emotionally when it ocurrs so as to repel them from pursuing the calling,
then or in the future.
I recommend you reflect on this experience, and pray for guidance, for then
the recall may be stronger. Being female is an advantage. Because of a
female's nature they have the favor of the gods and this experience you had
years ago can help you find the path and be devoted. Most men won't have
this opportunity. They have to start from scratch.
If you are afraid I would ask you to think of all those girls from the past
who received the god's call and had the courage to sucessfully make their
way down the path.


The Old Testiment is a tool they used to impart wisdom to the people (except
people have no freewill). For example, they must be some hominid species
because they claim they made our bodies in their image. Anyhow we defile or
deform the body will hurt our chance of going.
They say circumcision costs people anywhere from 12%-15%, perhaps out of the
parent's time as well. There is a stigma associated with circumcision::We
are 2nd class citizens because of it.
Another way people foul the body today is with tattoes and piercing. I
suspect both are about the same percentage as circumcision. They suggest
abortion is fatal. Those women who have obtained an abortion must beg the
gods to forgive them for their evil.
There are female equivilents to circumcision::::pierced ears, plastic
surgury and since at least the 60s young women give their precious virginity
away. For thousands of years young people were matched at age 14 because
they were ready for sexual relations. They were matched by elders or
matchmakers who were granted priveledge with Artificial Intelligence and
matched couples based on favor.
CASUAL SEX WILL CLAIM YOU OUT!!! It opens the door and allows the gods the
freedom to justify instructing Artificial Intelligence to create
disfunctions:::they masculinize women (as does the hip hop subculture),
makes them cold and deadens them, and they instruct AI to prevent them from
achieving a depth of love necessary for many women to ascend.
Also ever since the 50s they have celebrated the "bad boy", and women have
sought out bad boys for sex, dirtying them up in the eyes of the elders and
corrupting many men in the process, setting the men on the wrong path for
life.
Besides their roles as nurturers, love-givers and caretakers, women have a
special voice that speaks to them, a voice that illustrates a potential
depth of love. These are the things that make women the favored gender, and
engaging in casual sex will cause that voice to fade until she no longer
speaks.
Muslims teach people the correct way to live in regard to women (among other
things::the right way to pray (bowing down, 5x/day), vindictive god)::their
women cover up their bodies and refuse the use of cosmetics, and it pays
wonderful dividends:::faithful husbands and uncorrupted sons (Mohammed's
taking of multiple wives marked the entrance of his clone who was used to
segment the Arab world into favored and disfavored factions).
Men ARE the inferior (disfavored) half and when women wear promiscuous dress
the gods will push men into impure (promiscuous) thoughts. The "stereotype"
society ridiculed is true::women CAN corrupt men by how they dress. Because
men are easily corrupted. This is a technique they used to eliminate many
of the institutions the gods blessed us with, matchmaking being one of them.


The United States of America is red white and blue, a theme and a clue:::.
The monarchical system of the Old World closley replicates the heirarchical
system of the Cousel/Management Team/ruling species, which is why most of
the purebloods around the world were blessed with it. The USA's democratic
system deceives people into thinking they have control, and the perception
of "freedom" gives the Counsel/Management Team the ability to justify
instructing Artificial Intelligence to create disfunctions:::a perception of
empowerment, etc. The god's efforts to spread democracy through the
platform that is the United States are attempts to hurt disfavored people
around the world (Korea, Vietnam, Iraq). The redeeming element in this
environment is employment within the corporate heirarchy, which closely
replicates the god's. Unions and government jobs are dumping grounds for
the disfavored, for they don't prepare people and instead further this
misconception of empowerment.
Corporate is not representation. Corporate is evil. They all have favor
and, like the United States redwhite&blue, are tools of the gods and used to
hurt the disfavored left behind, and the clonesofclonesofclones who are
puppets at the helm do as instructed and prey on the disfavored. Corporate
is part of a structural change in the Age of the Disfavored that became more
pronounced as time wore on. Corporate, an environment where a level of
materialism is EXPECTED, is part of the problem, for materialism is an evil
preached against in the Old Testiment and yet another way to incurr evil on
the disfavored left behind. Nobody is going to save you:::: Jesus isn't
going to save his followers, stores/manufacturers aren't going to save their
loyal customers (NEVER shop exclusively in one place, never put all your
eggs in one basket. It really doesn't matter for the gods control
everything and it is merely for positioning's sake. It may be a test of
intelligence.), employers aren't going to save their employees, etc. These
are delay tactics designed to pacifiy people and ensure they don't find the
path and instead get limited time.
Only you can save yourselves through an improved relationship with the gods.
The United States is a cancer, a dumping ground for the disfavored around
the world and why the quality of life is so much lower::gun violence,
widespead social ills, health care (medication poisons the body and ensures
you don't go. You are sick/injured because you have disfavor.).
Over time its citizens interbreed ensuring a severed connection to the
motherland.
Over time its citizens interbreed ensuring a severed connection to the
motherland.
People came to the Unites States for many different reasons, and each has
its own effect:::political strife, religious unrest, crop failure (Ireland's
potato famine, which the gods caused) and some left their beloved motherland
because they were pushed into desiring a better life::::Greed, and these
disfavored people were punished when the gods instructed AI to push them
into becoming corrupted and preditory. They sent this clue about the
Italians again when European currencies merged:::::they ruined the value of
the Lira, making the other countries foot this bill.
If you are a recent immigrant I recommend you return. If that's not
possible you need to retain your culture and insulate your children and
community from this cancerous environment. They send this clue with
Chinatowns across the country, how many Chinese have been here for a century
or more yet still retain the old ways, a sign of favor.

If you ever have doubt I would refer you to the Old World way of life:::the
elders used to sit and impart wisdom to the young. Now we watch DVDs and
use the internet. People would be matched and married by age 14. They
village would use a matchmaker or elders to pair young people. Now girls
give their precious virginity away to some person in school and parents
divorce while their children grow up without an important role model. The
people used to honor the gods and were rewarded with a high-quality of life
for them, their children and their society. Now we have a deteriorating
society on a collision course with the Apocalypse.


There are many examples throughout 20th century life of how they instilled
distractions into society so people wouldn't find the path and ascend, a way
to justify excluding those whose family history makes them
undesirable:::materialism, radio, sports, movies, popular music, television,
video games, the internet, shopping. Today high pay creates
contentment/ability to distract self so people don't seek more, hesitant to
receive contradicting possibilities, depend on what they are told, subject
to deception in a captive environment.
They gods (Counsel/Management Team/ruling species) have deteriorated life on
earth precipitously in the last 40 years, from abortion to pornography,
widespread drug use and widespread casual (gay) sex, single-parent
households, latchkey kids and the masculinization of women (and hence (full)
women's prisons, participatory sports, etc. Women are favored, are the
element of decency, and as they become more like the men the society becomes
more disfavored, goes downhill, as we are witnessing.). The earth's elders,
hundreds and thousands of years old, are disgusted and have become
indifferent.
The Biblical account of Noah's flood was regional to the disfavored
Mediterreanan, peoples whom the gods scapegoatted when they pushed them into
the evil that justified the flood, behavior that we are witnessing today.
Because they have leveled the playing field for all people (purebloods and
mongrels) in the decades prior to the 21st century is a clue they will end
globally this time (westernization, materialism, immigration/interracial,
homosexual, access to disturbing media, desensitization, etc).
The clues all suggest a very telling conclusion::this is Earth's end stage,
and there are signs tectonic plate subduction would be the method of
disposal:::Earthâ??s axis will shift breaking continental plates free and
initiating mass subduction. Much as Italy's boot and the United States
shaped like a workhorse (with a fat ass) are clues, so is the planet Uranus
a clue, its axis rotated on its side. Edgar Cayce was picking winners for
the gangsters of the 20th century when he prophecized subduction being the
method of disposal. (Taking the god's money, which essencially they were
doing, proves "something for nothing" hurts people as it did those
disfavored Italians::much like temptation, Edgar Cayce's prognostications
effectivly served as "the rope". There are levels above Level 2 where money
is not an issue, and behavior like this will exclude you, as will behavior
such as using (unreasonable) coupons, buying on sale exclusively,
supermarkets as ATMs, gambling for gain instead of fun, overeating at
buffets, etc.)
Global warming should alarm people for it is a clue telling of the bleak
future of Planet Earth.

The Mayans were specific 2012 would be the end. How long after our
emergency call in 2001 will the gods allow us???
How long after our emergency call in 2001 will the gods allow us???
How long after our emergency call in 2001 will the gods allow us???
There is another geographic clue in the perfect fit between grossly
disfavored Africa and South America, two peas in a pod. I realize the
Mayans were further north, but Latin America may be taken as one. (Cultures
who embrace hard liquor as their drink of choice are grossly disfavored,
tequilla being uniquely Mexican. (Anything "hard" is wicked:::Hard alcohol,
hard drugs, all porn.) Incidentally, another sign of gross disfavor are
societies that consume spicy foods (Latin America, Thai, etc.), those who
eat too much meat, engage in human sacrifice, ones who tattoo or pierce
their bodies or those who celebrate evil (Celtic). Contrary to what
disfavored people believe, these peoples are not "earning" when they inflict
their evil on others. Rather it is the source of their disfavor because the
gods are hurting others with their problems and they are being scapegoatted.
Those who believe they are earning have become corrupted!!!)
Do I think it will end in 2012? No, and it is because Latin America is
grossly disfavored like Africa:::: Latinos are too disfavored to be allowed
to be right.
The gods wrote prophecy in Revelation, had subsequent prophets foresee
Earth's demise for good reason:::they are going to end on Planet Earth.
What else are they lying to you about? What else are they lying to you
about?
What else are they lying to you about? What else are they lying to you
about?
What else are they lying to you about? What else are they lying to you
about?
What else are they lying to you about? What else are they lying to you
about?
Whereas Christopher Columbus marked the beginning of the end, the Holocaust
marked the beginning of the final act, and it is a tragedy.
When people are saved at the end it will be clones and
clonesofclonesofclones, not the disfavored people who have problems who were
deceived/pushed into carrying on like they were "made guys".
My message illustrating the path may be the disfavored's last clue. All
clues before have been more covert but this one is quite obvious indeed,
which says time is running out.


People must defy when asked to engage in evil. The Holocaust taught people
the importance of defiance::our great grandparents should have defied when
asked to ignore the Holocaust and instead reacted with outrage. I suspect
some did::many were silenced while others they hustled off earth so as to
not set an example. Now the gods have used that incident to justify
punishing that generation's decendants bu ruining society.
People will never get a easier clue suggesting the importance of defiance
than the order not to pray. Their precious babies are dependant on the
parents and they need to defy when asked to betray their children:::
-DON'T get your sons circumcized (Jews scapegoatted as they were in WWII
(like justification, scapegoatting a recurring theme).)
-DON'T have their children baptized in the Catholic Church or indoctrinated
into Christianity (Jesus is NOT a god. Jesus teaches us the right way to
think. The gods are not forgiving or begnign. They are vindictive and will
punish you if you do something wrong.).
-DON'T ignore their long hair or other behavioral disturbances.
-DO teach your children love, respect for others, humility and to honor the
gods.
-DO teach your children about the power within the god's possession, if not
directly then indirectly.
And when you refuse a request defy the right way, withdrawn and frightened,
for you don't want to incite them by reacting inappropriately.


You need to pray, honor and respect them multiple times every day to improve
your relationship with the gods. If they tell you not to pray it is a bad
sign. It means they've made their decision, they don't want you to go and
they don't want to be bothered. You may have achieved a threshold of evil.
This is the Age of the Disfavored and you need to pray:::::Attone for the
things you've done wrong. Try to appease the gods by doing good deeds and
improve the world around you. Focus on becoming "Christ-like". Apply
yourself to your children for I think this is the single best way for adults
to try to redeem themselves in the eyes of the gods. Hopefully you can
reearn enough favor to be allowed to pray. Otherwise you need to defy if
you are to repair your relationship with the gods and give yourself a chance
at significant time, not just a handful of decades.
Otherwise you need to defy if you are to repair your relationship with the
gods and give yourself a chance at significant time, not just a handful of
decades.
If you are a clone, if you have seen, you more than anybody should honor the
gods for you know their great power:::you have seen it firsthand. They
share that they prefer most clones not to pray (like typical disfavoreds
left behind) for it will limit the time they will receive. The gods deceive
them to achieve this, compelling these individuals into a pattern that
excludes honoring their creator.
When your peasant forefather was granted the rare opportunity to go before
his royal family he went on his knees, bowing his head, humbled and
frightened. You need to do this when you address the gods::bow down and
submit to good. Never cast your eyes skyward. When you bow down you need
to look within. Never look to the gods for the key to your salvation lies
within. Remain silent and never address the gods directly. Practice
patience and wait for them to address you:::never speak unless you are
spoken to.
Nobody is going to do it for you. People need to save THEMSELVES by
improving THEIR relationship with the gods.
Lack of humility hurts people, and the environment that is the United States
is used to justify amplifying this problem. Understand your insignificance
and make sure it is reflected in the way you think when addressing the gods.
You are but a grain of sand on a vast beach, a drop in the ocean that is
the universe. They are great and powerful and angry. Know your place,
understand your inferiority and be afraid. They granted you life and they
can take it just as easily. (Immaculte conception IS true AND common. Many
people have children they don't know of:::gays, childless adults, etc. They
can beem it right out of your body and use a host.)
You are not cool. Too many young men strive for cool and it hurts them, as
does all things tagetted to males (professional sports, video games, beer,
etc). Be afraid and make sure you think the right way when you address them
daily. Too many people are deceived by this casual enviornment they create
in people's minds with Artificial Intelligence today. This does people a
great disservice and it hurts them in the eyes of the gods. Try to
eliminate it and avoid allowing it back once you have. Be very reverent and
respectful.
Don't get frustrated or discouraged::these are techniques they will attempt
to try to get you off the path. You all have much to be thankful for and
you need to give thanks to the gods who granted you the good things in
life::friends, family, love. Your family may be grossly disfavored and
progress may require patience. Make praying an intregal part of your life
which you perform without fail, one that comes as naturally as eating or
conception. Accept your new life and be devoted because if you have doubt
or reservation they will exploit this weakness and progress will take longer
to achieve, the "testing" phase will be extended.
The gods will employ many tactics to keep people off the path, such as
distractions. They will employ many more to get them off, such as thinking
through the disfavored and making them frustrated, perhaps engaging in
retailiation. They may try to force you back into old patterns/routines, an
addiction like smoking or when you felt weekly church attendance was
sufficient. Asking you not to be gay immediately is a tactic to prevent you
from finding/following the path. Be resigned, be devoted and this testing
period will be as brief as your disfavor will allow.
There are many interesting experiences up on the planetary systems, from
Planet Miracle, where miracles happen every day, peaked (heightened) senses,
to never having to use the restroom again (beem it out of you), other body
experiences, such as experiencing life as the opposite sex (revolutionizes
marriage counseling), an Olympic gold medal athelete or even a different
species (animal, alien, etc). They can maintain the disfavored's current
age, a motivation to fix your problems and get out as soon as possible so
you can stay young for as long as your relationship with the gods allows you
to live.
Stay young for as long as your relationship with the gods allows you to
live.
Stay young for as long as your relationship with the gods allows you to
live.
Pray that you can differentiate between your own thoughts and when
Artificial Intelligence creates problems by thinking through you. If you
bow down mentally and physically, know your place, your inferiority and
allow your insignificance to be reflected in prayer and in your life through
humility they may allow progress and the disfunctions they create with the
computer will be lessened or removed. The first step is to be aware it is
ocurring.
Create a goal::to be a good, god-fearing child of the gods, pure of heart
and mind, body and soul.
Everybody has the key to their own salvation, but nobody can do it for you.
Every journey begins with a single step:::bow down and submit to good.
There are many different levels and peasants will not get past Level 2
(Planet Temptation, Earth=Level 1) if they are evil (they share some go up,
are offered free cocaine and sex (a sign they don't want you to stay) and
stay less then one year. They share many others would have had longer lives
had they stayed on Earth.). Also the time you receive will be drastically
reduced:::your life's course will have costed you a chance at immortality.
It is important that you begin praying now. Evil is a slippery slope::once
you start punishment begins to escallate. If you defy early there may be no
retribution but as you continue to committ evil there will be until the
point where you can no longer stand it. Pray for guidance and never obey
when they tell you to be evil, for saving yourself will become more and more
difficult with each act of evil you committ until ultimatly the day arrives
when they make their decision about you final.
It's important that people fix their problems and ascend with the body given
to them, for they say if your brain is beemed out at death and put into a
clone host you are on the clock.


Throughout history the ruling species bestowed favor upon people or cursed
their bloodline into a pattern of disfavor for many generations to come.
Now in the 21st century people must take it upon themselves to try to
correct their family's problems, undoing centuries worth of abuse and
neglect. The goal is to fix your problems and get out while you are still
young::::
1. Before children become corrupted (Halloween & Christmas (among others),
get out via parents)
2. Before you lose your virginity/become corrupted by casual sex, and
ultimately
3. Before you have children.
This is why they have created so many distractions for young
people:::sports, video games, popular music, the internet, shopping,
parties, too much homework, materialism, anything that consumes their
time::to ensure that doesn't ocurr. Not heeding the clues and warnings,
getting wrapped up in your life and ultimately having children is a bad
thing. Just as your parents and your grandparents, you too have failed.
Having children is a sign you lost your chance.
Parents need to sacrifice for their children. Your children are more
important than you. They are the ones who have the opportunity now, and
parents must sacrifice to ensure they give their children the very best
chance they can. Asking people to neglect their children emotionally is a
sign they don't want you to go, and complying may finish the parents off for
good. (Having gay children (children with gay experiences) is a clue
parents complied with whatever was asked of them.) I recommend you apply
yourselves to your children. I think this is the single best way for adults
to try to redeem themselves in the eyes of the gods. Improve your
relationship with the gods and they may not ask in the first place or they
may permit you the courage to say "No." to their requests.

People need to repent for the things they've done wrong in life. Often they
know what they have done was wrong (telling you telepthically to do these
things was temptation and complying has hurt you/will limit your time).
People need to attone for these things they've done wrong.
There are other things that people have grown to believe are acceptable when
in fact they are not:::::This society is desinged to corrupt individuals, be
it through materialism, the celebration/acceptance of evil (Halloween),
desensitization of topics/images, voyerism/celebration of people's misery,
the acceptance of casual/alternate sex, the dietization of a prophet
(Jesus). People need to realize that the gods made this behavior socially
acceptable to corrupt people society-wide and limit the time everybody
receives. You need to recognize this, see that it is wrong and stop
engaging in this behavior. (Set a goal of empathy and compassion for all,
for we are all disfavored::::Other people's disfavor is manifested in their
particular way, just as your disfavfor is manifested in your particular
way.)
Somewhere in your family history one of your forefathers created an offense
that cast your family into this pattern of disfavor, which perhaps is
manifested in the evil you committ. Do your ancestral research::You should
be knowledgeable about your family history. Clues in the history may arise
that could assist you. Keep an open mind to every possibility for they
suggest matriarchal lineage is the norm.
Ask the gods for help, request guidance. I suspect they will offer you
additional clues, and when you decipher these clues ask for forgiveness from
those whom consider you an enemy.
Don't forget to ask for forgiveness from the throne, the Counsel and the
Management Team, for the source of all disfavor began with them:::they
pushed or requested/complied your forefather into his offense and made his
decendants evil. Perhaps they didn't like him or maybe your family was
among those (arbitrarily) selected to pay for the entire village. We see
this type of behavior today as they single out a family member to pay for
the whole family and how they singled out Africa to pay for the human race.
(Never have a negative thought about the gods. They are managing the
universe. This is how they decided to execute strategy for the end of the
world, a plan that was written likley millions of years ago or more. Try to
purify your mind of these thoughts and recognize the urgency of improving
your relationship with them.)
Heal the disfavor with your enemies and with the Counsel/Management
Team/ruling species, for the source of all disfavor began with them, the
ability to forgive and respect in light of the disturbing truth revealed
being the final test of the disfavored before they ascend.

They say this final test costed up to 50% of the candidates in the past. I
want people to be forewarned, knowledgeable about the god's strategy, their
plan for the "end of time" on Earth that we witness/experience and I want
you to be in a state of forgiveness PRIOR to the date of your "test", for
this is yet another tactic to limit the time of the disfavored.
The gods place great importance in positioning, not just to conceal their
involvement, ensuring people are deceived, receptive to temptation and
aren't motivated to pray, but also to preserve the "final test"'s
productivity, for I suspect it is very effective.


This message illustrating the path may be the disfavored's last clue. All
clues before have been more covert but this one is quite obvious indeed,
which says time is running out.






The gods use the Celtics as scapegoats, initiating the annual practice of
wickedness on Halloween by creating this event a thousand years ago. They
use it to justify making the widespread celebration of evil acceptable
behavior among the disfavored of the 20th century.
The celebration of Halloween has intensified as the Age of the Disfavored
has become more pronounced and it is not by accident:::Holloween has changed
in the last 50 years, its practice more widespread as time wore on, and
Hollywood was used to justify making evil socially acceptable.
Halloween is a terrible corruptor of children, as is Santa Claus (the
similarity between the names "Santa" and "Satan" is no coincidence).
The
Celtic event is used to justify corrupting the children through the
celebration of Halloween and is one reason explaining their disfavor;
consistant with their pathology the gods created the corruption, impliment
its practice and scpaegoat the disfavored from whence it came.
I wonder if recent influence of the paganistic historical roots of the event
is a way to legitimize the event among the disfavored, perhaps make it more
inclusive (adults), create a sub-culture around paganism?
You're the disfavored. Purism is the best course of action (the Ahmish in
the United States is the clue suggesting this). You don't have breathing
room to engage in hedonistic activities like Halloween.


They refuse to address black disfavor on a macro level. The
Counsel/Management Team/ruling species (the gods) abuse black people so
hard, from east African drought/famine to AIDS in Africa, the crack epiemic
to gang membership, black-on-black violence to mass incarceration of their
young. They refuse to address the issue of the prison industrial complex
and its wholesale warehousing of young black men.


Christianity is a dumping ground for the disfavored.
They share the gods didn't like Jesus for he helped the disfavored and
taught them the right way to think:::to be loving, kind, forgiving, Be
Christ-like!!!
The gods turned a negative into a positive and twisted the concept, dietized
the prophet and subsequently made Christianity's disfavored followers
irrationally defensive, for they are so close to the path and otherwise
could easily find their way.
Every prophet can teach us something and we should be attentive to each.


Therapists prey on others. They earn their livlihood capitalizing on
another's disfavor, knowing disfavor is why they are experiencing problems.
At some point in their lives they learn this truth. That point and time is
the most crucial in their lives for if they make the wrong decision and stay
in their industry/follow through with their education they hurt themselves
very badly in the eyes of the gods.
Directing them into the industry (create passion)/telling them to take this
path/compliance is a way to incurr evil on otherwise very good people (if
you understand the demographic), people who normally would get a great
amount of time, and it ensurs their stay is minimized if and when they do
go.


Mark de LA says
THe above comment looks like SHIT to me!


A says
I dislike your use of the word "gods" for ther fact that it is plural, logic tells(along with the bible)that there is one God and only one God! though I have many other "dislikes" about it.

P.S. even if women are the favored gender, where would they have gotten without men? it is the same the other way around.

Mark de LA says
A 2006-12-23 08:14:09 5078
I dislike your use of the word "gods" for ther fact that it is plural, logic tells(along with the bible)that there is one God and only one God! though I have many other "dislikes" about it.

P.S. even if women are the favored gender, where would they have gotten without men? it is the same the other way around.
Well, the comment was an irrelevant rant from someone who did not understand the item. OTOH, since there is no rational proof that any god exists, there is also no rational proof that only one exists. Your dislike of if doesn't affect any of it either!

Seth says
might be interesting to reread #aaron’s article “Identity Fetishism” and my comment on it … does it still #RingsTrue.  

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