Patriotism & Politics
That's why we "lost" the Viet Nam War and how Congress is attempting to lose the Iraq war. It is also the way the US will lose control of it's borders!
NOT IN YOUR EXAMPLES - go back to meditating!
Appearing before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Mr. Baker urged the senators to give the president's plan a chance. "The general (Lt. Gen. David Petraeus) you confirmed 81-0 just the day before yesterday, this is his idea," he said. "He's a supporter of it. He's now the commander on the ground in Iraq. Give it a chance."
Btw you have misrepresented what actually happened. It has been reported in numerous books by numerous people who were even in the administration and the CIA that Bush, Chaney, Rumsfield and Condy wanted to go into Iraq and shaped the intelligence accordingly. They then lied to Congress, lied to the UN, and lied to the American people. It is the height of hyprocracy that you (and they) now claim "congress rushed to the podiums of Congress to join in support" ... if Congress had been told the truth, the dialogue would have been quite different.
And, btw, i agree that we should to give the president's plan a chance. But at the same time i think we should track the progress.
I dont seen anything new here. Sure you are saying that if i disagree with you that i am still in RWG. That is one way to look at it, both from your side and from my side. But then we knew that ... that is no new information about RWG. I certainly agree that there is an instinct to preserve one's view that one is right and if someone else disputes that they are wrong ... that is an instinct. Getting out of that perdicament happens all the time. Compromise, seeing merit in the other perspective, and seeing win-win alternatives are ways out of RWG. There are probably others. Your Zen mysticism still escapes me. If you are holding up Zen mysticism as a justification for continuing RWG transactions, then i for one want no part of it. The Zen happens when you get out of the loop ... not when you stay in it and continue with another transaction but see the Zen of it.
Saddam is dead, he won't be killing 10,000 women and children with chemical weapons ever again or stuffing his political opponants (looks around to see if I have any) into wood chipping machines, alive, feet first... Gee.. who won the war? IMO we did... Now who wants to win the peace? I do... apparently many people don't in order to gain political points so their candidates win the next elections... pretty pathetic if you ask me. Lets bring a level of stabilty and get out of there... can't we all just STFU and get along long enough to do that, then you can whine and cry.