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Mark de LA says

Let the polar bears do it! see 5929

Mark de LA says
My bad, according to the etymology dictionary the word climatology has been around since 1843.
climate Look up climate at Dictionary.com1375, from O.Fr. climat, from L. clima (gen. climatis) "region, slope of the Earth," from Gk. klima "region, zone," from base of klinein "to slope," thus "slope of the Earth from equator to pole," from PIE base *klei- "to lean" (see lean (v.)). Angle of sun on the slope defined the zones assigned by early geographers. Meaning moved from "region" to "weather associated with that region" by c.1600. Climatology first recorded 1843.
 Although I still think it has been recently resurrected to remove the stigma of it's associated science of metrology & bad predictions.  It is interesting that in the Wikipedia that most of the so-called famous climatologists were meteorologists in their short bios. They even include Benjamin Franklin in there somewhere!


Mark de LA says


Mark de LA says
seth 2007-02-06 12:38:19 5989
M 2007-02-06 12:25:21 5989
The distinction was recently made so that incompetant scientists & those who want to politicize the issue can push the proof out a hundred years or so so they won't be around when their theories all turn to mush.
There is no truth in that statement.  This distinction has been around for a long time. 
Really, how long - can you document this ? I don't remember anything at school besides meterology.

Mark de LA says
seth 2007-02-06 12:10:55 5989
i can't wait till i find a cartoon that pokes fun at people who can't distinguish between weather and climate.  50% of the global warming backlash could be eliminated if people would just learn that simple distinction.
The distinction was recently made so that incompetant scientists & those who want to politicize the issue can push the proof out a hundred years or so so they won't be around when their theories all turn to mush. Algore made predictions in his book for a ~10 year holocaust which should have been here now.  Was he a climatologist or a weather predicter.  The same forces that produce the weather also produce the climate.  Somehow climatologists don't have to follow the Scientific Method? Are they above approach & ridicule ? My fondest question is where does the climatologist stick the thermometer ? It is a rather large Earth. What is the margin of error in using 1000+ thermometers all of which do not register or report on a single day. But, then, if you have chosen sides you will ignore such a global conundrum.
source: ... (junkscience.com)

Bizarrely, the actual report will be retained for another three months to facilitate editing -- to suit the summary! IPCC procedures state that: Changes (other than grammatical or minor editorial changes) made after acceptance by the Working Group or the Panel shall be those necessary to ensure consistency with the Summary for Policymakers or the Overview Chapter (Appendix A to the Principles Governing IPCC Work, p4/15) -- this is surely unacceptable and would not be tolerated in virtually any other field (witness the media frenzy because language was allegedly altered in some US climate reports).


Seth says
M 2007-02-06 13:42:33 5989
My bad, according to the etymology dictionary the word climatology has been around since 1843.

you were faster on the research than i was.
Although I still think it has been recently resurrected to remove the stigma of it's associated science of metrology & bad predictions.
... or rather the distinction has just recently come to our attention because people keep confusing the two. Here is a graph which illustrates the difference ...




If you keep looking at weather fluctuations, then you will never see the climate trends.



Seth says
M 2007-02-06 14:03:25 5989
M 2007-02-06 14:01:52 5989
Well, then it is still all about physics, chemistry, mathematics, geology & astronomy isn't it? I would still like a job where I get paid for predictions that may (or not) come true after I am dead!
You will probably see indisputable evidence of this change before the end of your life.  I am googling recipes for crow as we speak.


Mark de LA says
M 2007-02-06 14:01:52 5989
Well, then it is still all about physics, chemistry, mathematics, geology & astronomy isn't it? I would still like a job where I get paid for predictions that may (or not) come true after I am dead!

So the trend line is climate ..

Mark de LA says
I hear it's great with curry sauce & coconut!
Meanwhile junkscience.com has the preliminary report not altered by the politics of the people who need to adjust the details to fit their agenda here .

Mark de LA says
Weather versus Climate:


Sock Puppy says
Found on slashdot:
"Infinite time means everything that can happen, will. You being you is absolutely incidental. You do not exist."

Seth says
Sock Puppy 2007-02-07 10:55:37 5989
Found on slashdot:
"Infinite time means everything that can happen, will. You being you is absolutely incidental. You do not exist."
From a Zen master like Allen Watts you can also get that you do not exist .  Me i don't haf to exist ... i just do ... relative to myself ... relative to my social, physical, and mental environment .... not relative to infinity ... not relative to the entire universe.  But i can also think ahead ... me likes to live in such a world where people think ahead ... even past their own death ... after all i am here past other people's deaths ... i stand on their work ... as others may stand on mine ... unless, of course, my effect is pickyune ... is not effectual ... so point is try not to be pickyune.  And that is how i deal with your slashdot cognitive dissonance.

Sock Puppy says
It was a tagline of some commentator on this slashdot article.  Which article is not related to anything on this item (unless it is).


Seth says
Sock Puppy 2007-02-07 13:17:41 5989
Which article is not related to anything on this item (unless it is).
It's related in the sense of motivating you to think about your actions now which will have affect long after you are dead.  Iow, what kind of climate are your actions producing for the next generation.  If you take the view that your acctions are absolutely incidental, then it is hard to justify extra work now to avoid disaster in the 21st century.  I had though that was why you had posted it to this item.

Sock Puppy says
seth 2007-02-07 13:25:28 5989
Sock Puppy 2007-02-07 13:17:41 5989
Which article is not related to anything on this item (unless it is).
It's related in the sense of motivating you to think about your actions now which will have affect long after you are dead.  Iow, what kind of climate are your actions producing for the next generation.  If you take the view that your acctions are absolutely incidental, then it is hard to justify extra work now to avoid disaster in the 21st century.  I had though that was why you had posted it to this item.
Nope, it was just a brain tickler -placed here for amusement.

Seth says
Sock Puppy 2007-02-07 22:07:03 5989
seth 2007-02-07 13:25:28 5989
Sock Puppy 2007-02-07 13:17:41 5989
Which article is not related to anything on this item (unless it is).
It's related in the sense of motivating you to think about your actions now which will have affect long after you are dead.  Iow, what kind of climate are your actions producing for the next generation.  If you take the view that your acctions are absolutely incidental, then it is hard to justify extra work now to avoid disaster in the 21st century.  I had though that was why you had posted it to this item.
Nope, it was just a brain tickler -placed here for amusement.
apparently it tickeled my brain in relation to this item

Mark de LA says
seth 2007-02-08 02:13:15 5989
-snip-
It's related in the sense of motivating you to think about your actions now which will have affect long after you are dead.  Iow, what kind of climate are your actions producing for the next generation.  If you take the view that your acctions are absolutely incidental, then it is hard to justify extra work now to avoid disaster in the 21st century.  I had though that was why you had posted it to this item.
Nope, it was just a brain tickler -placed here for amusement.
apparently it tickeled my brain in relation to this item
A cross section of Drudge yesterday on the subject:
POLL: Only 13% Of Congressional Republicans Believe Global Warming Caused By Man...

Gore says Bush admin paying scientists to dispute...

Governor Plans To Fire Oregon Climatologist for Skeptical View of Warming...

Delaware scientist's contrarian stand criticized...

Car Wars In Europe: PORSCHE CEO Rails at Emissions Caps...

PROPOSALS TO LAUNCH 'ECOLOGICAL' CRIME LAWS...
&
of course this posted yesterday as well:

  Have you considered the results & actions of your eco-chondria for future generations ?

  Have you considered the results & actions of your eco-chondria for future generations ?


Seth says
This one is funny ... so many ways to spin a reaction that i won't even bother

Mark de LA says
seth 2007-02-08 08:52:45 5989
This one is funny ... so many ways to spin a reaction that i won't even bother
Yep, I left that one in there just for you!  OTOH, that proves conclusively that the issue is political & may not be science.


Seth says
M 2007-02-08 09:34:29 5989
seth 2007-02-08 08:52:45 5989
This one is funny ... so many ways to spin a reaction that i won't even bother
Yep, I left that one in there just for you!  OTOH, that proves conclusively that the issue is political & may not be science.

... or more likely it proves that Republicans don't know how to read science .

Mark de LA says
seth 2007-02-08 10:22:01 5989
M 2007-02-08 09:34:29 5989
seth 2007-02-08 08:52:45 5989
This one is funny ... so many ways to spin a reaction that i won't even bother
Yep, I left that one in there just for you!  OTOH, that proves conclusively that the issue is political & may not be science.

... or more likely it proves that Republicans don't know how to read science .
...or Democrats are hyping something for their own power struggle and can't read science either.


Seth says
M 2007-02-08 10:45:50 5989
seth 2007-02-08 10:22:01 5989
M 2007-02-08 09:34:29 5989
seth 2007-02-08 08:52:45 5989
This one is funny ... so many ways to spin a reaction that i won't even bother
Yep, I left that one in there just for you!  OTOH, that proves conclusively that the issue is political & may not be science.

... or more likely it proves that Republicans don't know how to read science .
...or Democrats are hyping something for their own power struggle and can't read science either.

I don't see this as a Democrats vs Republican struggle ... i see it more as a Science vs Stupidity thing.

Mark de LA says
seth 2007-02-08 10:56:14 5989  -snip-
I don't see this as a Democrats vs Republican struggle ... i see it more as a Science vs Stupidity thing.
I see it more as science and stupidity(politicians) versus common sense!


Seth says
M 2007-02-08 11:08:24 5989
seth 2007-02-08 10:56:14 5989  -snip-
I don't see this as a Democrats vs Republican struggle ... i see it more as a Science vs Stupidity thing.
I see it more as science and stupidity(politicians) versus common sense!

Unfortunately common sense did not evolve to solve problems of this nature.  It evolved to solve problems that are scaled to the size of one humans hands and eyes.  For example try solving a problem in quantum physics with what you call "common sense"
sorry ... it don't work.

Mark de LA says
seth 2007-02-08 11:29:27 5989
M 2007-02-08 11:08:24 5989
seth 2007-02-08 10:56:14 5989  -snip-
I don't see this as a Democrats vs Republican struggle ... i see it more as a Science vs Stupidity thing.
I see it more as science and stupidity(politicians) versus common sense!

Unfortunately common sense did not evolve to solve problems of this nature.  It evolved to solve problems that are scaled to the size of one humans hands and eyes.  For example try solving a problem in quantum physics with what you call "common sense"
sorry ... it don't work.
So, may I extrapolate that those trying to solve "problems of this nature" have no common sense?  More likely they are a bunch of brilliant nurds that haven't solved the common sense problem of how to get laid !


Seth says
M 2007-02-08 11:45:14 5989
seth 2007-02-08 11:29:27 5989
M 2007-02-08 11:08:24 5989
seth 2007-02-08 10:56:14 5989  -snip-
I don't see this as a Democrats vs Republican struggle ... i see it more as a Science vs Stupidity thing.
I see it more as science and stupidity(politicians) versus common sense!

Unfortunately common sense did not evolve to solve problems of this nature.  It evolved to solve problems that are scaled to the size of one humans hands and eyes.  For example try solving a problem in quantum physics with what you call "common sense"
sorry ... it don't work.
So, may I extrapolate that those trying to solve "problems of this nature" have no common sense?  More likely they are a bunch of brilliant nurds that haven't solved the common sense problem of how to get laid !

Nope, no such implication makes any sense.  Your term "problems of nature" is a misdirection.  This is a situation caused by human activity and it will be solved by human activity. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2007-02-08 11:51:02 5989
-snip-
So, may I extrapolate that those trying to solve "problems of this nature" have no common sense?  More likely they are a bunch of brilliant nurds that haven't solved the common sense problem of how to get laid !

Nope, no such implication makes any sense.  Your term "problems of nature" is a misdirection.  This is a situation caused by human activity and it will be solved by human activity. 
That's what I mean by no common sense.  The Sun is the source of warming & cooling over the millenia (since the Earth was an Earth).  The amount of warming in the last hundred years where real measuring devices were used has only shown a small amount within the margin of error of measurements - media brainwashing & 6006 notwithstanding.

Seth says
M 2007-02-08 11:56:25 5989
The amount of warming in the last hundred years where real measuring devices were used has only shown a small amount within the margin of error of measurements
Where is your documentation on that?  The graph that convinced me of the error of your position was the one that showed  the simulation over a long period of time using only known natural causes ... then another one that showed the same period using only man made causes ... neither of those graphs tracked the actual measurements very closely.  But once you combined the two causes the simulation tracked the actual very closely.  If you promise not to rubber duck me on this and to delve into the science i will go find that information for you.  Otherwise i will continue to go with the climate scientists and disregard your unsubstantuated grumblings above.

Mark de LA says
Rich Lowry says it just as well in The Church of Climate Panic. & the IPCC has backed off somewhat from it's dire predictions. Read the whole article if you have not yet been swallowed by the mass hypnotism of the AlGoreItes.
source: ... Since 2001, global temperatures have only gone up a statistically insignificant 0.03 degrees Celsius. And in recent years, the oceans have actually gotten cooler.
... and
source: ... Christopher Monckton, a former adviser to British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, points to the neglected data in the IPCC summary. It

Seth says
Here is an example of the kind of thing that needs to be persued ...
source: Scientists to Vie for $25M Climate Prize
LONDON (AP) -- Sir Richard Branson on Friday announced a $25 million prize for the scientist who comes up with a way to extract greenhouse gases from the atmosphere, comparing it to the 17th-century quest to revolutionize navigation by determining longitude.
... there are lots of bacteria that "fix carbon dioxide" that could go into such a reactor.  Wow, what if you could integrate that with an air conditioner ... install them wherever you need air conditioning ... this would be a great boon to our economy. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2007-02-09 13:47:12 5989
Here is an example of the kind of thing that needs to be persued ...
source: Scientists to Vie for $25M Climate Prize
LONDON (AP) -- Sir Richard Branson on Friday announced a $25 million prize for the scientist who comes up with a way to extract greenhouse gases from the atmosphere, comparing it to the 17th-century quest to revolutionize navigation by determining longitude.
... there are lots of bacteria that "fix carbon dioxide" that could go into such a reactor.  Wow, what if you could integrate that with an air conditioner ... install them wherever you need air conditioning ... this would be a great boon to our economy. 
It's not air conditioners that are causing CO2 it's cars and power plants, humans breathing out, cow flatulence & seth.


Seth says
M 2007-02-09 15:28:35 5989
It's not air conditioners that are causing CO2 it's cars and power plants, humans breathing out, cow flatulence & seth.
Your funny ... like i said "air conditioners are causing co2" ... ... but air conditioning would make a great application for the technology.  Point is you need something for the machine to do except just suck up CO2.  If it does something otherwise useful it will pay for installing itself.  Otherwise you need some uh hum ... governmental agency to pay for it. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2007-02-09 13:47:12 5989
Here is an example of the kind of thing that needs to be pursued ...
source: Scientists to Vie for $25M Climate Prize
LONDON (AP) -- Sir Richard Branson on Friday announced a $25 million prize for the scientist who comes up with a way to extract greenhouse gases from the atmosphere, comparing it to the 17th-century quest to revolutionize navigation by determining longitude.
... there are lots of bacteria that "fix carbon dioxide" that could go into such a reactor.  Wow, what if you could integrate that with an air conditioner ... install them wherever you need air conditioning ... this would be a great boon to our economy. 

Here is some more silliness from the Slashdot forum on the subject. Get your $-million ideas here!

Mark de LA says
Here is more on the Sun's effect. There is some actual experiment on this one.  I would also factor in the Solar Winds & the Earth's variable magnetic field.

source: ...
Enthusiasm for the global-warming scare also ensures that heatwaves make headlines, while contrary symptoms, such as this winter

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