Belief is the Enemy of Knowledge

From A.C in the book Moonchild (out of the mouth of Simon Iff).
 
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" The soul !" exclaimed Lisa, joyfully.  "Oh, I believe in the soul!" "Very improper!" rejoined the mystic ; "Belief is the enemy of knowledge.  Skeat tells us that Soul probably comes from su, to beget."
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Comments


Mo Grist says
Then again you might wonder what is faith - something different than belief. Still deeper, what's to be done with your belief in the "scientific method" ?

Seth says
Mo Grist 2007-03-10 07:59:37 6324
Then again you might wonder what is faith - something different than belief. Still deeper, what's to be done with your belief in the "scientific method" ?
Traditionally: knowledge = justified true belief.  Perhaps faith is simply belief that is neither necessarily true nor justified.

Mark de LA says
M 2007-03-09 12:52:20 6324
seth 2007-03-09 12:48:57 6324
Moon Child is availabe from Amazon ... the reviews there are interesting.   I certainly buy that ""Belief is the enemy of knowledge. " 

Yep, I knew you would like that.  Zen folks say the minute you think you have an answer your mind usually snaps shut! The inquiry usually stops there.

Moonchild is also available online here.

Mark de LA says
Mo Grist 2007-03-10 10:02:24 [item 6324#14585]
Faith seems to be in the same domain as belief without the evidence. The NLP definition of belief as a "feeling of certainty" about something or someone serves me best & leaves out the tortuous epistemology - faith & belief are both feelings although their targets may or not be real.
P.S. I like the Wikipedia's quality control statement about weasel words in it's article on faith

More precise a belief is a feeling of certainty (qualia about) the meaning of something or something about someone. 

IMHO all else is a story made out of bullshit. 

Mark de LA says
nathan 2016-04-28 03:56:20 [item 6324#51625]
BTW. The scientific method helps you stabilize your reality by organizing and ordering your beliefs. That is it's power. It does not uncover truths or create truths, it simply helps you organize the truths you have chosen, or by default come to believe, and helps you find and fill in the gaps so that your experience is consistent and orderly. It works in this same way for an individual or a society.
Seth 2016-04-28 07:45:53 [item 6324#51628]
the scientific method can be used to discover or establish things that will ring true to others and not just yourself. 
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Mark de LA says
nathan 2016-04-28 03:15:31 [item 6324#51623]
A belief is a thought you keep thinking until it’s consistent manifestation in your experience convinces you it is true. Belief is simply thought momentum. Nothing more. Nothing less. 
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-28 08:23:21 [item 6324#51630]
Bullshit – nothing more, nothing less! 
Seth 2016-04-28 08:34:14 [item 6324#51632]
i find no evidence that thinking a thought over and over will manifest objective results.  But i remember plenty of examples of thinking thoughts over and over manifesting subjective changes in my mind. 
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-28 08:35:22 [item 6324#51634]
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There is this caveat that the M$M & new age media does manifest some social change – maybe in the near future girls will be able to go in boys bathrooms & visa-veras & in a further one people will become multi-sexual. laughing

Mark de LA says
Seth 2016-04-28 08:00:16 [item 6324#51629]
thinking out loud here …. mening that i do not know where this thought will take me as i start writing ...

i surprised myself yesterday,  i used the word “faith” in a true sentence about me.  i had not done that for a long time or even ever.   here it is exclusively from memory …
 

i get a cut,  i watch- it heal,  … it is AMAZING !!! surprise … those experiences are among the foundations of my  faith. 

so that tells you, if you can hear it,  what this word “faith” means to me.   So to me “faith” is much deeper than a belief which just continues to ring true.   It is great stuff … gets me up in the morning … keeps me going … and motivates my actions … it is not just a ring in my head that says, “yes that is true, yes that is consistent”.   It is truth backed up with examples and evidence on which i can rely … and … is is not subjective.  I know without a doubt that others have gotten cut and have noticed it automatically heals. 
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-28 08:42:05 [item 6324#51636]
cuts usually heal with or without belief or faith.  Faith is a qualia like belief surrounding the topic of certainty without evidence. 
Seth 2016-04-28 08:57:57 [item 6324#51638]
exactly!   it heals regardless of my internal attitude towards it … i called it “automatic”.   to me it is objective evidence of nature working quite apart from my subjective machinations.   my faith did not do the healing … the nature of what is happening did the healing. 

that is quite the opposite of Bentinho’s thoughts and Nathan’s.   there the thinking must be something like this:    if the healing happens regardless of one’s internal control, then one is not 100% in control of one’s experiences.  but the assumption is that one is 100% in control of one’s experiences.  therefore that healing happens must be denied … or in this case contrived away.
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-28 09:35:43 [item 6324#51640]
Then too, there is the field of psychosomatic medicine & studies on the mind-body connection. pondering
Seth 2016-04-28 09:47:04 [item 6324#51641]
yes of course.   i have no doubt that our subjective beliefs affects our body and its healing.  That has been demonstrated scientifically.   The pesky thing here is the assumption of 100% internal control. 
I think the pesky thing is your assumption about assumptions of others as 100% control .

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