The quickest way to sink a country

Apparently Pelosi is running for secretary of state (in spite of her rush to negotiate with terrorists) and just stepped on her own dick!

Tags

  1. treason
  2. forked tongue
  3. politics
  4. debkafile

Comments


Mark de LA says
Check out the Logan Act if you are confused about the legality of Pelosi's visit ! Or read the WSJ or USA Today .


Mark de LA says
Here's more from the DEBKAfile - a private subscription "intelligence" gathering website.
source: ...
DEBKAfile

Seth says
Where are the elements of blackmail in those 4 points?  Actually, if you exlude the DBKS's spin, there is nothing in those 4 points that does not make straight forward PC sense: (1) has been said many times by pundits and US based analysts, (2) is just religious tolerance, (3) equal treatment in front of the law is at the heart of western democracy, (4) was a reccomendation of the Baker commission.  Wht specifically is your complaint?

Mark de LA says
Well the tone of course.  The implication with all the "musts" plus the implication that Syria will continue it's terrorist activities in Iraq unless they get what they want seems obvious to me.  I never respected the Baker report at all. These 4 points seem reasonable at the face but look closer at them:
1- implies legitimizing the Baathist party & some kook fringes like al-Sadr's militia; not very good ideas for peace
2-OK, but the Sunni & the Shia have at war for centuries
3-terrorists at equal with all the rest?  gimme a break
4-nice idea if you can get it


Seth says
M 2007-04-06 10:46:13 6695
Everything in 6695 is interpretation!
I know, which is why "I would like to see a clean presentation of what the Syrian's actually did say."  Me i like to start with the facts first, sans interpertations, and then when they are mostly all in, proceed to the spin.

Seth says
M 2007-04-06 10:15:18 6695
BTW, I see nothing wrong with choosing sides from the perspective of what's good for the US. Everyone else has chosen sides!
Meddling in the internal affairs of a soverign nation is not a good foreign policy.  Anyway what is "good for the US" is not in siding with and arming an inevitable Shia theocracy.  US interests were better served when the secular Baathist were balancing the power of Iran.  All of this should go to show us that our meddling is not even in our own best interest.

Seth says
Well the US should not be involved with, nor take sides between, Iraqi factions.  How the Shia, Sunni, and secular Baathist end up working together to govern the country is no more our business, than it is Iran's business whether Democrats or Republicans control our Congress. Our motives should be to reduce violence to the point where governing can take place.  That means defending against the criminal elements that perpertrate violence regardless of their faction.  Exclusive of DEBKA's spin, the Syrian points seem to me to be consistent with that view.  Me thinks this is a case where DEBKA has confused their spin with the facts to the detrement of clear thinking.  I would like to see a clean presentation of what the Syrian's actually did say.   

Mark de LA says
There's nothing in the article that suggest spin. Your mind is spinning quite well, though!

Seth says
M 2007-04-06 10:13:01 6695
There's nothing in the article that suggest spin.
Everything in italics in the article is DEBAKA's interpertations. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2007-04-06 10:39:57 6695
M 2007-04-06 10:15:18 6695
BTW, I see nothing wrong with choosing sides from the perspective of what's good for the US. Everyone else has chosen sides!
Meddling in the internal affairs of a soverign nation is not a good foreign policy.  Anyway what is "good for the US" is not in siding with and arming an inevitable Shia theocracy.  US interests were better served when the secular Baathist were balancing the power of Iran.  All of this should go to show us that our meddling is not even in our own best interest.
Everybody meddles including the Iranians, Syrians, Russians & Chinese.  Learn to know whose side you are on.  I am on the side of the United States!

Mark de LA says
seth 2007-04-06 10:22:19 6695
M 2007-04-06 10:13:01 6695
There's nothing in the article that suggest spin.
Everything in italics in the article is DEBAKA's interpertations. 
Everything in 6695 is interpretation!

Seth says
M 2007-04-06 10:45:15 6695
Everybody meddles including the Iranians, Syrians, Russians & Chinese.  Learn to know whose side you are on.  I am on the side of the United States!
Had you have been born in Berlin in the 1900, would you have been on the side of Germany in the 30's?  Me, i don't subscribe to the "my country right or wrong" policy.  You, of course will make your own choices.  In any case, in 2003 we did not act in our own best interests.  You seem to have ignored that.

Mark de LA says
seth 2007-04-06 11:01:46 6695
-snip-
Had you have been born in Berlin in the 1900, would you have been on the side of Germany in the 30's? 
You, SIR have just become a LIAR!

Mark de LA says
As a matter of fact, had we not meddled in the internal & external affairs of Germany & Japan in WW-II you & I might be speaking German or Japanese (& maybe later Russian)!

Mark de LA says
BTW, spin is what you don't like that the opposition says & facts are your beliefs about what someone says that you tend to believe.

Mark de LA says


Mark de LA says
Seth needs to stare for a long time at 6650 & really get it!


Seth says
The last cartoon is actually funny .

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