I Demand An Apology
About: Chris Rock Bigger And Blacker Script - transcript from the HBO comedy special
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... but this is a seriously funny piece ... i hacked it out of context ... i wish i could find the audio ... i especially like the stuff about Hillary 
, though it is blatant sexism, ... she should be demanding an apology.
source: Chris Rock in Bigger And Blacker Script - from HBO special
l got an uncle real crazy. My uncle B., years old, hates the white people, married to a white lady.
And he sits around going, ''These crackers ain't shit, except for Susie.''
He tried to explain the whole thing to me one day. He said, ''Yeah, l got a white wife. l love her, she love me. That's all that matters. ''But l'll tell you this: if the revolution ever come, l'll kill her first... ''just to show these crackers l mean business! ''Motherfucker, cracker-ass, motherfucker cracker! Shit, cracker, motherfucker! ''Hi, honey. ''Motherfucker cracker. 'll kill my cracker kids, too!''
l got an uncle real crazy. My uncle B., years old, hates the white people, married to a white lady.
And he sits around going, ''These crackers ain't shit, except for Susie.''
He tried to explain the whole thing to me one day. He said, ''Yeah, l got a white wife. l love her, she love me. That's all that matters. ''But l'll tell you this: if the revolution ever come, l'll kill her first... ''just to show these crackers l mean business! ''Motherfucker, cracker-ass, motherfucker cracker! Shit, cracker, motherfucker! ''Hi, honey. ''Motherfucker cracker. 'll kill my cracker kids, too!''
... but this is a seriously funny piece ... i hacked it out of context ... i wish i could find the audio ... i especially like the stuff about Hillary , though it is blatant sexism, ... she should be demanding an apology. Tags
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Seth says
seth 2007-05-08 09:56:45 6799
seth 2007-05-08 09:35:25 6799
M 2007-05-08 09:10:30 6799
seth 2007-05-08 08:03:16 6799
M 2007-05-08 07:52:04 6799
Maybe it is just there in the culture. Where did rap & hip-hop get the ideas that women were "hos" anyway?
source: ... Music videos have become machismo fairy tales that have more "ogre and ass" scenes than the Shrek trilogy.
... if it is in the culture of some part of society, if identity is social, why apologize ?
The point is to change the culture and media leads culture.
Although suspect, the media is people, the media is culture; albeit they have a larger megaphone than you & I (soonj to be replaced by the Internet 
.) The media is a collection of people who masturbate & fornicate just like the rest of the species! I hold people responsible.
.) The media is a collection of people who masturbate & fornicate just like the rest of the species! I hold people responsible. Well to say "culture is people" is not, imho, exactly accurate. I would say "culture supervenes on people". My quibble is actually a bit more than a quibble ... if the whole is never considered greater than the sum of it's parts, then yours is just as good as mine ... but if you acknowledge that aggregates take on a life of their own then mine more accurately describes what is happening. I can give you dozens of cases where aggregates take on lifes of their own which lifes could in no way be predicted by the behavior of the individuals ... Conway's GOL being perhaps the most famous of such examples.
Ps and btw, I agree with you that, not withstanding, we hold individual people responsible for their individual actions. But we do credit a single individual with the ills of the culture at large. Imus and Snoop Dog should clean up their acts ... and the culture has rightly reared up to call that to these individual's attention.
Sorry that last one should have read: "I agree with you that, not withstanding what i have said above, we hold individual people
responsible for their individual actions. But we do not credit a single
individual with the ills of the culture at large. Imus and Snoop Dog
should clean up their acts ... and the culture has rightly reared up to
call that to these individual's attention."
Seth says
source: Orcinus
In that sense, Don Imus' firing says far less about him than it does about us. And what it says is that we have finally begun to count the heavy cost of 20 years of on-air denigration of everything that is not white, male, rich, and conservative -- and are realizing that it's a price we're no longer willing to pay. Which makes it a good day for democracy, and everybody who wants to see it thrive.
In that sense, Don Imus' firing says far less about him than it does about us. And what it says is that we have finally begun to count the heavy cost of 20 years of on-air denigration of everything that is not white, male, rich, and conservative -- and are realizing that it's a price we're no longer willing to pay. Which makes it a good day for democracy, and everybody who wants to see it thrive.
source: my comment in response
Well there is on-air denigration of everything (period) ... and white,
male, or rich have never been spared. If you doubt it just listen to Cris Rock on HBO. And before you jump up and down in joy you should count the cost of this kind of censorship.
Well there is on-air denigration of everything (period) ... and white,
male, or rich have never been spared. If you doubt it just listen to Cris Rock on HBO. And before you jump up and down in joy you should count the cost of this kind of censorship.
Mark de LA says
I liked you better in the frog picture!
Mark de LA says
The stuff about Hillary is funny (-P)
The stuff about Hillary is funny (-P)
Seth says
The Daily Show: Will Nancy Grace Apologize to Duke Lacrosse Players? Of course we all know they did it ... and most of you still believe that.
Seth says
Ok here is this cracker continuing to track the white lash (opposite of back lash) against the imus furry. Here we get the X leader of the Republican party, Tom Delay's response ...
source: Townhall.com
And for the contextual icing on the cake, where are the repercussions for Rosie O'Donnell's hateful, idiotic accusations that President Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks? And her ignorant parody of the Chinese language? Or her comparison of conservative Christians to Islamo-fascist terrorists? Why has ABC not suspended her from The View? Why has she not been frog-marched up to some radio show to apologize to 9/11 victims/Chinese-American activists/evangelical Christians?
And for the contextual icing on the cake, where are the repercussions for Rosie O'Donnell's hateful, idiotic accusations that President Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks? And her ignorant parody of the Chinese language? Or her comparison of conservative Christians to Islamo-fascist terrorists? Why has ABC not suspended her from The View? Why has she not been frog-marched up to some radio show to apologize to 9/11 victims/Chinese-American activists/evangelical Christians?
... thanks Americablog who pointed out that Tom Delay says racism is a joke. But hey, Tom, what is the difference between a Islamo-facist and a conservative Christian ... a fundamentalist is a fundamentalist ... is he not?
And you can read my continued dialog with Mrs Robinson ...
And you can read my continued dialog with Mrs Robinson ...
source: my comments
Mrs Robinson, I totally agree. But this cracker still thinks Cris Rock's commentary is funny and i hope his voice is not muffled ... on the other hand somebody should hand Nancy Grace a Saltine.
Mrs Robinson, I totally agree. But this cracker still thinks Cris Rock's commentary is funny and i hope his voice is not muffled ... on the other hand somebody should hand Nancy Grace a Saltine.
... me thinks it is time we all let our hair down and have a good laugh !
!
Seth says
WFB has weighed in on the subject ...
source: William F Buckley Jr [emphasis mine]
One of his specialties, over the years, was cracks aimed at Jews. It is revealing that these he managed to get away with. Every now and then there was a rebuke, but he stayed on the air. This tells us interesting things about current U.S. culture. One of them is that anti-Semitism is not as mortal as one hoped. Another is that millions of Americans, though they show no evidence of inclining to acts of racial or religious persecution, did not much mind it when Imus broke the basic protocols
One of his specialties, over the years, was cracks aimed at Jews. It is revealing that these he managed to get away with. Every now and then there was a rebuke, but he stayed on the air. This tells us interesting things about current U.S. culture. One of them is that anti-Semitism is not as mortal as one hoped. Another is that millions of Americans, though they show no evidence of inclining to acts of racial or religious persecution, did not much mind it when Imus broke the basic protocols
Mark de LA says
It's hard to see an aggregate greater than the sum of it's parts where the parts have individual actions. One almost has to get outside the physical plane & the five senses to grok it. I don't exactly know what you are referring to in the GOL in that regard. It seems all like behavior to me. It also depends upon what you mean by
source: ... aggregates take on lifes of their own ...
...
Too often we blame the aggregate known as government for the behavior of the people who constitute government. The same goes for racial aggregates & sexual aggregates.
Seth says
M 2007-05-08 09:53:07 6799
It's hard to see an aggregate greater than the sum of it's parts where the parts have individual actions. One almost has to get outside the physical plane & the five senses to grok it. I don't exactly know what you are referring to in the GOL in that regard. It seems all like behavior to me. It also depends upon what you mean by
source: ... aggregates take on lifes of their own ...
...
Too often we blame the aggregate known as government for the behavior of the people who constitute government. The same goes for racial aggregates & sexual aggregates.
Well i agree, we rightly hold individuals responsible for their actions, and we do not excuse those actions just because they are behaving according to the aggregate. So then do you agree that "if it is in the culture of some part of society, if identity is social, why apologize ?" goes contrary to that judgement ?
Seth says
M 2007-05-08 10:55:47 6799
That's tricky. If everything is about individuality then then group pressure is irrelevant. OTOH, if it is about the individuality is only a result of the group culture than it's the culture that is at fault. So I agree & disagree.
... yes. It is an interesting topic for discussion. On one extreme we hold the individual as soverign and eschew the state's interfearance. The other extreme holds the interest of the state as paramont and minimizes an individual's influence. I think it should be the right of individuals to determine for themselves where in that spectrum their actions will fall.
Mark de LA says
Now see if (other than Drudge) Sharpton & Jackson put up an all out assault on Opie & Anthony. It is apparently OK if it is a black woman in the administration. Fuck them! Where is the Imus-style outcry? Be prepared to wait a bit for the server to handle the load. Be prepared to wait forever for the outcry!
Seth says
Chris Rock is funny to me. Sharpton is not. Neither are the Rush Limbaugh types. The title of the TPM article, "Charlie Rangel: Tea Party Is ‘Same Group’ Of ‘White Crackers’ Who Fought Civil Rights", probably hints at a truth, though it is a gross generalization ... 
.
Personally, i've never been called a "cracker" except in fun. Nevertheless I avoid calling anybody a "nigger", even in fun. The slight asymmetry in that situation gives me no pain whatsoever. I guess others are different in that regard ... apparently that is just the way the cookie has been crumbling.
it's a funny thing revisiting this item of six years past
.
.Personally, i've never been called a "cracker" except in fun. Nevertheless I avoid calling anybody a "nigger", even in fun. The slight asymmetry in that situation gives me no pain whatsoever. I guess others are different in that regard ... apparently that is just the way the cookie has been crumbling.
it's a funny thing revisiting this item of six years past
.
Mark de LA says
M 2013-08-03 06:38:32 6799
So do I demand an apology. Maybe we should bring back the n-word.
Rangel: Tea Party Is Bunch Of 'White Crackers'...
Sharpton is apparently paranoid of these?He is rather a niggard when it comes to his empathy, & sympathy of other humans & their differences, eh?
Rangel: Tea Party Is Bunch Of 'White Crackers'...
Sharpton is apparently paranoid of these?
He is rather a niggard when it comes to his empathy, & sympathy of other humans & their differences, eh?
Mark de LA says
seth 2013-08-03 07:42:01 6799
Chris Rock is funny to me. Sharpton is not. Neither are the Rush Limbaugh types. The title of the TPM article, "Charlie Rangel: Tea Party Is ‘Same Group’ Of ‘White Crackers’ Who Fought Civil Rights", probably hints at a truth, though it is a gross generalization ... .
Personally, i've never been called a "cracker" except in fun. Nevertheless I avoid calling anybody a "nigger", even in fun. The slight asymmetry in that situation gives me no pain whatsoever. I guess others are different in that regard ... apparently that is just the way the cookie has been crumbling.
it's a funny thing revisiting this item of six years past.
.Personally, i've never been called a "cracker" except in fun. Nevertheless I avoid calling anybody a "nigger", even in fun. The slight asymmetry in that situation gives me no pain whatsoever. I guess others are different in that regard ... apparently that is just the way the cookie has been crumbling.
it's a funny thing revisiting this item of six years past
. Apparently Rachel Jeantel re-popularized cracker in the recent trial & made it OK for blacks to use it. I wonder if there could be a White Caucus in Congress to re-popularize the politically incorredt n-word. (note it is just being abbreviated but used all over the news some days anyway)
Sharpton is running with it. I would call it the c-word, but that is already taken.
Are there liberal crackers? ... or white n-words?
IMHO, which is neither, Chris Rock used to be funny but is not now. Democrats voted against the civil rights act - keep that in the history lesson as well. Rush Limbaugh is not a comedian. Your slight assymetry comment is opaque.
Sharpton is running with it. I would call it the c-word, but that is already taken.
Are there liberal crackers? ... or white n-words?
Seth says
whatever.
Me, i'd like to see the day that we could use "nigger" and "cracker" to each other and it just be accepted as honest communication. Think about that. Think of what kind of empathy would, must needs, be there on both sides were that kind of honest communication possible. There would be no "demand for apology" at all necessary, or even present in the context. Thing is, my dear friend, calling others out for using the so called "race card" is not anything that will hasten the consciousness of at day. That is just more of the zero sum, i'm right, your wrong, parent to child, transaction that fuel the fire.
whatever
.Me, i'd like to see the day that we could use "nigger" and "cracker" to each other and it just be accepted as honest communication. Think about that. Think of what kind of empathy would, must needs, be there on both sides were that kind of honest communication possible. There would be no "demand for apology" at all necessary, or even present in the context. Thing is, my dear friend, calling others out for using the so called "race card" is not anything that will hasten the consciousness of at day. That is just more of the zero sum, i'm right, your wrong, parent to child, transaction that fuel the fire.
Seth says
source: me above
Personally, i've never been called a "cracker" except in fun. Nevertheless I avoid calling anybody a "nigger", even in fun. The slight asymmetry in that situation gives me no pain whatsoever.
Personally, i've never been called a "cracker" except in fun. Nevertheless I avoid calling anybody a "nigger", even in fun. The slight asymmetry in that situation gives me no pain whatsoever.
... in response
It is a fact over here that while others joke about me being a cracker, i cannot make jokes about them being a nigger. They simply would not be funny to me, or to them. That situation gives me no pain whatsoever. That is 100% true.
Now, what does your assertion that my comment is opaque mean to you? Do you think i am lying about this? How did you intend saying it was "opaque" should affect me? To be honest with you, it just told me that you didn't understand, or even want to understand, what i said.
source: mark above
Your slight assymetry comment is opaque.
Your slight assymetry comment is opaque.
It is a fact over here that while others joke about me being a cracker, i cannot make jokes about them being a nigger. They simply would not be funny to me, or to them. That situation gives me no pain whatsoever. That is 100% true.
Now, what does your assertion that my comment is opaque mean to you? Do you think i am lying about this? How did you intend saying it was "opaque" should affect me? To be honest with you, it just told me that you didn't understand, or even want to understand, what i said.
Mark de LA says
seth 2013-08-03 08:54:46 6799
whatever .
Me, i'd like to see the day that we could use "nigger" and "cracker" to each other and it just be accepted as honest communication. Think about that. Think of what kind of empathy would, must needs, be there on both sides were that kind of honest communication possible. There would be no "demand for apology" at all necessary, or even present in the context. Thing is, my dear friend, calling others out for using the so called "race card" is not anything that will hasten the consciousness of at day. That is just more of the zero sum, i'm right, your wrong, parent to child, transaction that fuel the fire.
.Me, i'd like to see the day that we could use "nigger" and "cracker" to each other and it just be accepted as honest communication. Think about that. Think of what kind of empathy would, must needs, be there on both sides were that kind of honest communication possible. There would be no "demand for apology" at all necessary, or even present in the context. Thing is, my dear friend, calling others out for using the so called "race card" is not anything that will hasten the consciousness of at day. That is just more of the zero sum, i'm right, your wrong, parent to child, transaction that fuel the fire.
Yep, 'cept nowadays you can get fired for saying the n-word & the race card is played just about every chance you get from one side. Just trying to balance things out. Myself, I could ignore race but it keeps showing up in the media
; anxious to gain advantage.
My solution is better. 714 ssq.
My solution is better. 714 ssq.
Mark de LA says
seth 2013-08-03 09:15:10 6799
source: me above
Personally, i've never been called a "cracker" except in fun. Nevertheless I avoid calling anybody a "nigger", even in fun. The slight asymmetry in that situation gives me no pain whatsoever.
Personally, i've never been called a "cracker" except in fun. Nevertheless I avoid calling anybody a "nigger", even in fun. The slight asymmetry in that situation gives me no pain whatsoever.
... in response
It is a fact over here that while others joke about me being a cracker, i cannot make jokes about them being a nigger. They simply would not be funny to me, or to them. That situation gives me no pain whatsoever. That is 100% true.
Now, what does your assertion that my comment is opaque mean to you? Do you think i am lying about this? How did you intend saying it was "opaque" should affect me? To be honest with you, it just told me that you didn't understand, or even want to understand, what i said.
source: mark above
Your slight assymetry comment is opaque.
Your slight assymetry comment is opaque.
It is a fact over here that while others joke about me being a cracker, i cannot make jokes about them being a nigger. They simply would not be funny to me, or to them. That situation gives me no pain whatsoever. That is 100% true.
Now, what does your assertion that my comment is opaque mean to you? Do you think i am lying about this? How did you intend saying it was "opaque" should affect me? To be honest with you, it just told me that you didn't understand, or even want to understand, what i said.
Your pricklyness notwithstanding, see above , it meant I did not get what you were pointing at. However, if you have to assert that something is 100% true, the odds are probably it is not, even if you accepted that 100% true might mean you have finally found the truth somewhere.
The assymetry is not painful to me. It only points out hypocrisy in the stand of some race-baiting poverty pimp's bullshit like Sharpton's.
The assymetry is not painful to me. It only points out hypocrisy in the stand of some race-baiting poverty pimp's bullshit like Sharpton's.
Mark de LA says
I'll be back. Have to take my dog p-blogging for a new entry in Pissbook which she is anxious to complete.
Mark de LA says
seth 2013-08-03 09:41:53 6799
Well then, do you understand (get) my asymmetry comment now? I really do want to know. Me, i thought it was brilliant ... as it was, for me, a tone perfect reaction to your version of the race card.
Incidentally Al Sharpton's hypocrisy gives me just about as much pain as Rush Limbaugh's. Those two deserve each other. Personally i wish both of them would just go away ... but neither of them is my problem.
M 2013-08-03 09:28:07 6799
seth 2013-08-03 09:15:10 6799
source: me above
Personally, i've never been called a "cracker" except in fun. Nevertheless I avoid calling anybody a "nigger", even in fun. The slight asymmetry in that situation gives me no pain whatsoever.
Personally, i've never been called a "cracker" except in fun. Nevertheless I avoid calling anybody a "nigger", even in fun. The slight asymmetry in that situation gives me no pain whatsoever.
... in response
It is a fact over here that while others joke about me being a cracker, i cannot make jokes about them being a nigger. They simply would not be funny to me, or to them. That situation gives me no pain whatsoever. That is 100% true.
Now, what does your assertion that my comment is opaque mean to you? Do you think i am lying about this? How did you intend saying it was "opaque" should affect me? To be honest with you, it just told me that you didn't understand, or even want to understand, what i said.
source: mark above
Your slight assymetry comment is opaque.
Your slight assymetry comment is opaque.
It is a fact over here that while others joke about me being a cracker, i cannot make jokes about them being a nigger. They simply would not be funny to me, or to them. That situation gives me no pain whatsoever. That is 100% true.
Now, what does your assertion that my comment is opaque mean to you? Do you think i am lying about this? How did you intend saying it was "opaque" should affect me? To be honest with you, it just told me that you didn't understand, or even want to understand, what i said.
Your pricklyness notwithstanding, see above , it meant I did not get what you were pointing at. However, if you have to assert that something is 100% true, the odds are probably it is not, even if you accepted that 100% true might mean you have finally found the truth somewhere.
The assymetry is not painful to me. It only points out hypocrisy in the stand of some race-baiting poverty pimp's bullshit like Sharpton's.
The assymetry is not painful to me. It only points out hypocrisy in the stand of some race-baiting poverty pimp's bullshit like Sharpton's.Well then, do you understand (get) my asymmetry comment now? I really do want to know. Me, i thought it was brilliant ... as it was, for me, a tone perfect reaction to your version of the race card.
Incidentally Al Sharpton's hypocrisy gives me just about as much pain as Rush Limbaugh's. Those two deserve each other. Personally i wish both of them would just go away ... but neither of them is my problem.
Seth says
Well then, do you understand (get) my asymmetry comment now? I really do want to know. Me, i thought it was brilliant ... as it was, for me, a tone perfect reaction to your version of the race card.
Incidentally Al Sharpton's hypocrisy gives me just about as much pain as Rush Limbaugh's. Those two deserve each other. Personally i wish both of them would just go away ... but neither of them is my problem.
M 2013-08-03 09:28:07 6799
seth 2013-08-03 09:15:10 6799
source: me above
Personally, i've never been called a "cracker" except in fun. Nevertheless I avoid calling anybody a "nigger", even in fun. The slight asymmetry in that situation gives me no pain whatsoever.
Personally, i've never been called a "cracker" except in fun. Nevertheless I avoid calling anybody a "nigger", even in fun. The slight asymmetry in that situation gives me no pain whatsoever.
... in response
It is a fact over here that while others joke about me being a cracker, i cannot make jokes about them being a nigger. They simply would not be funny to me, or to them. That situation gives me no pain whatsoever. That is 100% true.
Now, what does your assertion that my comment is opaque mean to you? Do you think i am lying about this? How did you intend saying it was "opaque" should affect me? To be honest with you, it just told me that you didn't understand, or even want to understand, what i said.
source: mark above
Your slight assymetry comment is opaque.
Your slight assymetry comment is opaque.
It is a fact over here that while others joke about me being a cracker, i cannot make jokes about them being a nigger. They simply would not be funny to me, or to them. That situation gives me no pain whatsoever. That is 100% true.
Now, what does your assertion that my comment is opaque mean to you? Do you think i am lying about this? How did you intend saying it was "opaque" should affect me? To be honest with you, it just told me that you didn't understand, or even want to understand, what i said.
Your pricklyness notwithstanding, see above , it meant I did not get what you were pointing at. However, if you have to assert that something is 100% true, the odds are probably it is not, even if you accepted that 100% true might mean you have finally found the truth somewhere.
The assymetry is not painful to me. It only points out hypocrisy in the stand of some race-baiting poverty pimp's bullshit like Sharpton's.
The assymetry is not painful to me. It only points out hypocrisy in the stand of some race-baiting poverty pimp's bullshit like Sharpton's.Well then, do you understand (get) my asymmetry comment now? I really do want to know. Me, i thought it was brilliant ... as it was, for me, a tone perfect reaction to your version of the race card.
Incidentally Al Sharpton's hypocrisy gives me just about as much pain as Rush Limbaugh's. Those two deserve each other. Personally i wish both of them would just go away ... but neither of them is my problem.
Seth says
source: Mark above
I get what you get as assymetry & that you think it is OK
I get what you get as assymetry & that you think it is OK
... yep, it is OK ... 
... and i explained why ...
Your attitudes that are contrary to that are quite otherness to me.
Nevertheless i am still really curious ... did you actually imagine the particular consciousness that i scoped above? ... i.e. did you do the thought experiment? if so, what did it feel like? if not, well, honestly, i couldn't care less.
... and i explained why ...source: Me above
Me, i'd like to see the day that we could use "nigger" and "cracker" to each other and it just be accepted as honest communication. Think about that. Think of what kind of empathy would, must needs, be there on both sides were that kind of honest communication possible. There would be no "demand for apology" at all necessary, or even present in the context.
Me, i'd like to see the day that we could use "nigger" and "cracker" to each other and it just be accepted as honest communication. Think about that. Think of what kind of empathy would, must needs, be there on both sides were that kind of honest communication possible. There would be no "demand for apology" at all necessary, or even present in the context.
Your attitudes that are contrary to that are quite otherness to me.
Nevertheless i am still really curious ... did you actually imagine the particular consciousness that i scoped above? ... i.e. did you do the thought experiment? if so, what did it feel like? if not, well, honestly, i couldn't care less.
Mark de LA says
seth 2013-08-03 10:53:40 6799
source: Mark above
I get what you get as assymetry & that you think it is OK
I get what you get as assymetry & that you think it is OK
... yep, it is OK ... ... and i explained why ...
Your attitudes that are contrary to that are quite otherness to me.
Nevertheless i am still really curious ... did you actually imagine the particular consciousness that i scoped above? ... i.e. did you do the thought experiment? if so, what did it feel like? if not, well, honestly, i couldn't care less.
... and i explained why ...source: Me above
Me, i'd like to see the day that we could use "nigger" and "cracker" to each other and it just be accepted as honest communication. Think about that. Think of what kind of empathy would, must needs, be there on both sides were that kind of honest communication possible. There would be no "demand for apology" at all necessary, or even present in the context.
Me, i'd like to see the day that we could use "nigger" and "cracker" to each other and it just be accepted as honest communication. Think about that. Think of what kind of empathy would, must needs, be there on both sides were that kind of honest communication possible. There would be no "demand for apology" at all necessary, or even present in the context.
Your attitudes that are contrary to that are quite otherness to me.
Nevertheless i am still really curious ... did you actually imagine the particular consciousness that i scoped above? ... i.e. did you do the thought experiment? if so, what did it feel like? if not, well, honestly, i couldn't care less.
I am not your puppet
, dude! Yeah, I immediately laughed. Your attitudes .... etc does not compute - just judgement! Your "I couldn't care less ..." is noncommunication, lack of empathy & a whole lot of exhibiting hypocrisy.
, dude! Yeah, I immediately laughed. Your attitudes .... etc does not compute - just judgement! Your "I couldn't care less ..." is noncommunication, lack of empathy & a whole lot of exhibiting hypocrisy.
Mark de LA says
seth 2013-08-04 18:22:04 6799
source: mark above mentioned a thing he called
"one-way empathy"
"one-way empathy"
... i wonder, do you think empathy is a two way street? Not in my book. empathy is something i do in my mind about you. and i do it not in return for anything whatsever. it is not a transaction. it it the attitude i adopt towards how you feel inside. make it into a transaction, and the golden rule becomes a farce.
so, i really don't know what you are talking about.
so, i really don't know what you are talking about.
Yep, one way seems to be your thingy . I call for 2-way , similar to a synergy of individualism. Look how much empathy for the Middle Eastern way of life has gotten this country & our people.
Seth says
source: mark above mentioned a thing he called
"one-way empathy"
"one-way empathy"
... i wonder, do you think empathy is a two way street? Not in my book. empathy is something i do in my mind about you. and i do it not in return for anything whatsever. it is not a transaction. it it the attitude i adopt towards how you feel inside. make it into a transaction, and the golden rule becomes a farce.
so, i really don't know what you are talking about.
so, i really don't know what you are talking about.
Seth says
My proposed consciousness is actually quite different. Think of the last time you pointed out some feminine quality of your wife to your wife ... say a time you wanted to excite her erotically with a compliment about her unique womanness. Another hint of it is the attitude afro-americans refer to each other as nigger this and nigger that. These kind of communications are a form of endearment not intended to demean. Our language can be used to communicate perceived differences of others to the others ... not blind to distinctions ... vital to honest social dialogue ... no apology ever necessary ... why would it be ... these messages are simply affirmations of our respect for the others otherness.
But hey, your creative twist above is certainly vintage Magor. Kudos!
M 2013-08-04 08:47:30 6799
BTW, Seth shit: "Me, i'd like to see the day that we could use "nigger" and "cracker" to each other and it just be accepted as honest communication." is absurd.
It is similar in kind to saying "I would like to see the day when "fuck you" is accepted as honest communication." LOL, motherfucker!
I would like rather to see the day when such language (mine included) is an anachronism & never or extremely rarely used & people communicate with loving intent & sympathy using the Golden Rule & in the same manner as they want to be communicated with.
It is similar in kind to saying "I would like to see the day when "fuck you" is accepted as honest communication." LOL, motherfucker!
I would like rather to see the day when such language (mine included) is an anachronism & never or extremely rarely used & people communicate with loving intent & sympathy using the Golden Rule & in the same manner as they want to be communicated with.
My proposed consciousness is actually quite different. Think of the last time you pointed out some feminine quality of your wife to your wife ... say a time you wanted to excite her erotically with a compliment about her unique womanness. Another hint of it is the attitude afro-americans refer to each other as nigger this and nigger that. These kind of communications are a form of endearment not intended to demean. Our language can be used to communicate perceived differences of others to the others ... not blind to distinctions ... vital to honest social dialogue ... no apology ever necessary ... why would it be ... these messages are simply affirmations of our respect for the others otherness.
But hey, your creative twist above is certainly vintage Magor. Kudos!
Seth says
incidentally, this is some funny shit ... and notice that the old black men in the audience are laughing too ...
Chris Rock now on youtube
... no apology necessary
Chris Rock now on youtube
... no apology necessary
Mark de LA says
Yep, you are not an authority on blackness just because you have black relatives.
When you want to join the human race mentally & quit the shit about one-way empathy I might be able to find something new or interesting in what you say besides your stale party line.
If it isn't about a human condition that's the same for all races then I really don't give a shit about it. Identity politics is a sickness & a disease; divide & conquer; pander & demand. See how much it helped out black teenager unemployment rate of 40%+ under the Obamanation.
When you want to join the human race mentally & quit the shit about one-way empathy I might be able to find something new or interesting in what you say besides your stale party line.
If it isn't about a human condition that's the same for all races then I really don't give a shit about it. Identity politics is a sickness & a disease; divide & conquer; pander & demand. See how much it helped out black teenager unemployment rate of 40%+ under the Obamanation.
Seth says
Well see that one didn't work over here. Like we know, it takes empathy ... it takes intimacy ... it takes the ability to figure out how the other person is going to feel when refereed to in some particular way. Me, i really am not sure how it felt to you for me to compliment you by saying that your "twist was vintage Magor" ... i thought it might convey the idea that i accept your mismatching twists as just part of your unique character, rather than as something directed pedoritive to me ... i really did work on it ... for about an hour ... maybe i got it ... maybe i didn. if you actualy thought that you calling me "your sweet nigger" would do anything but just go tilt over here, then yuou have no comprehension whatsoever how i feel about you.
M 2013-08-04 15:07:19 6799
seth 2013-08-04 13:40:02 6799
My proposed consciousness is actually quite different. Think of the last time you pointed out some feminine quality of your wife to your wife ... say a time you wanted to excite her erotically with a compliment about her unique womanness. Another hint of it is the attitude afro-americans refer to each other as nigger this and nigger that. These kind of communications are a form of endearment not intended to demean. Our language can be used to communicate perceived differences of others to the others ... not blind to distinctions ... vital to honest social dialogue ... no apology ever necessary ... why would it be ... these messages are simply affirmations of our respect for the others otherness.
But hey, your creative twist above is certainly vintage Magor. Kudos!
M 2013-08-04 08:47:30 6799
BTW, Seth shit: "Me, i'd like to see the day that we could use "nigger" and "cracker" to each other and it just be accepted as honest communication." is absurd.
It is similar in kind to saying "I would like to see the day when "fuck you" is accepted as honest communication." LOL, motherfucker!
I would like rather to see the day when such language (mine included) is an anachronism & never or extremely rarely used & people communicate with loving intent & sympathy using the Golden Rule & in the same manner as they want to be communicated with.
It is similar in kind to saying "I would like to see the day when "fuck you" is accepted as honest communication." LOL, motherfucker!
I would like rather to see the day when such language (mine included) is an anachronism & never or extremely rarely used & people communicate with loving intent & sympathy using the Golden Rule & in the same manner as they want to be communicated with.
My proposed consciousness is actually quite different. Think of the last time you pointed out some feminine quality of your wife to your wife ... say a time you wanted to excite her erotically with a compliment about her unique womanness. Another hint of it is the attitude afro-americans refer to each other as nigger this and nigger that. These kind of communications are a form of endearment not intended to demean. Our language can be used to communicate perceived differences of others to the others ... not blind to distinctions ... vital to honest social dialogue ... no apology ever necessary ... why would it be ... these messages are simply affirmations of our respect for the others otherness.
But hey, your creative twist above is certainly vintage Magor. Kudos!
Sure, sweet nigger of mine. 
Well see that one didn't work over here. Like we know, it takes empathy ... it takes intimacy ... it takes the ability to figure out how the other person is going to feel when refereed to in some particular way. Me, i really am not sure how it felt to you for me to compliment you by saying that your "twist was vintage Magor" ... i thought it might convey the idea that i accept your mismatching twists as just part of your unique character, rather than as something directed pedoritive to me ... i really did work on it ... for about an hour ... maybe i got it ... maybe i didn. if you actualy thought that you calling me "your sweet nigger" would do anything but just go tilt over here, then yuou have no comprehension whatsoever how i feel about you.
Seth says
Well of course, 2 way love is better than one way love
.
Unrequited love sucks
.
Thing is i am responsible for myself if i am free. I can't make you love me. So insisting on the 2 way ideal as a prerequisite, just becomes an escuse to fight ... it's not love at all ... rather it is its opposite.
M 2013-08-05 00:00:28 6799
seth 2013-08-04 18:22:04 6799
source: mark above mentioned a thing he called
"one-way empathy"
"one-way empathy"
... i wonder, do you think empathy is a two way street? Not in my book. empathy is something i do in my mind about you. and i do it not in return for anything whatsever. it is not a transaction. it it the attitude i adopt towards how you feel inside. make it into a transaction, and the golden rule becomes a farce.
so, i really don't know what you are talking about.
so, i really don't know what you are talking about.
Yep, one way seems to be your thingy . I call for 2-way , similar to a synergy of individualism. Look how much empathy for the Middle Eastern way of life has gotten this country & our people.
Well of course, 2 way love is better than one way love
.Unrequited love sucks
.Thing is i am responsible for myself if i am free. I can't make you love me. So insisting on the 2 way ideal as a prerequisite, just becomes an escuse to fight ... it's not love at all ... rather it is its opposite.
Mark de LA says
seth 2013-08-05 03:21:03 6799
Well of course, 2 way love is better than one way love .
Unrequited love sucks.
Thing is i am responsible for myself if i am free. I can't make you love me. So insisting on the 2 way ideal as a prerequisite, just becomes an escuse to fight ... it's not love at all ... rather it is its opposite.
M 2013-08-05 00:00:28 6799
seth 2013-08-04 18:22:04 6799
source: mark above mentioned a thing he called
"one-way empathy"
"one-way empathy"
... i wonder, do you think empathy is a two way street? Not in my book. empathy is something i do in my mind about you. and i do it not in return for anything whatsever. it is not a transaction. it it the attitude i adopt towards how you feel inside. make it into a transaction, and the golden rule becomes a farce.
so, i really don't know what you are talking about.
so, i really don't know what you are talking about.
Yep, one way seems to be your thingy . I call for 2-way , similar to a synergy of individualism. Look how much empathy for the Middle Eastern way of life has gotten this country & our people.
Well of course, 2 way love is better than one way love
.Unrequited love sucks
.Thing is i am responsible for myself if i am free. I can't make you love me. So insisting on the 2 way ideal as a prerequisite, just becomes an escuse to fight ... it's not love at all ... rather it is its opposite.
Everything including & after the word prerequisite is your misunderstanding bullshit (not mine,) I am a proponent of the Golden Rule which is 2-way (some call it reciprocity) - love as I want to be loved, etc.
You might also remember the biblical saying of Jesus Matthew VII,5 = variously translated here.
You might also remember the biblical saying of Jesus Matthew VII,5 = variously translated here.
Mark de LA says
seth 2013-08-05 07:08:05 6799
source: mark above
the Golden Rule which is 2-way (some call it reciprocity) - love as I want to be loved, etc.
the Golden Rule which is 2-way (some call it reciprocity) - love as I want to be loved, etc.
... well "love as i want to be loved" is an excellent rendition of the rubic .
Notice it does not say "i'll love you, if you love me back" ... now that would be reciprocity.
The whole point being that you do not control the other person ... that is for them to do ... that is their freedom ... maybe even their right. The only thing you can do is to create your own attitude. Perhaps empathy is a bit confusing in that you must take the others feelings on as your own ... but it is still something that you do yourself ... it is not contingent on anything done by the other. There is no reciprocity in the Golden Rule.
.Notice it does not say "i'll love you, if you love me back" ... now that would be reciprocity.
The whole point being that you do not control the other person ... that is for them to do ... that is their freedom ... maybe even their right. The only thing you can do is to create your own attitude. Perhaps empathy is a bit confusing in that you must take the others feelings on as your own ... but it is still something that you do yourself ... it is not contingent on anything done by the other. There is no reciprocity in the Golden Rule.
True & there is another aspect which is infinite & unknown (II,32) - almost a miracle - it works over time.
Seth says
source: mark above
the Golden Rule which is 2-way (some call it reciprocity) - love as I want to be loved, etc.
the Golden Rule which is 2-way (some call it reciprocity) - love as I want to be loved, etc.
... well "love as i want to be loved" is an excellent rendition of the rubic .
Notice it does not say "i'll love you, if you love me back" ... now that would be reciprocity.
The whole point being that you do not control the other person ... that is for them to do ... that is their freedom ... maybe even their right. The only thing you can do is to create your own attitude. Perhaps empathy is a bit confusing in that you must take the others feelings on as your own ... but it is still something that you do yourself ... it is not contingent on anything done by the other. There is no reciprocity in the Golden Rule.
.Notice it does not say "i'll love you, if you love me back" ... now that would be reciprocity.
The whole point being that you do not control the other person ... that is for them to do ... that is their freedom ... maybe even their right. The only thing you can do is to create your own attitude. Perhaps empathy is a bit confusing in that you must take the others feelings on as your own ... but it is still something that you do yourself ... it is not contingent on anything done by the other. There is no reciprocity in the Golden Rule.
Mark de LA says
seth 2013-08-05 07:08:05 6799
source: mark above
the Golden Rule which is 2-way (some call it reciprocity) - love as I want to be loved, etc.
the Golden Rule which is 2-way (some call it reciprocity) - love as I want to be loved, etc.
... well "love as i want to be loved" is an excellent rendition of the rubic .
Notice it does not say "i'll love you, if you love me back" ... now that would be reciprocity.
The whole point being that you do not control the other person ... that is for them to do ... that is their freedom ... maybe even their right. The only thing you can do is to create your own attitude. Perhaps empathy is a bit confusing in that you must take the others feelings on as your own ... but it is still something that you do yourself ... it is not contingent on anything done by the other. There is no reciprocity in the Golden Rule.
.Notice it does not say "i'll love you, if you love me back" ... now that would be reciprocity.
The whole point being that you do not control the other person ... that is for them to do ... that is their freedom ... maybe even their right. The only thing you can do is to create your own attitude. Perhaps empathy is a bit confusing in that you must take the others feelings on as your own ... but it is still something that you do yourself ... it is not contingent on anything done by the other. There is no reciprocity in the Golden Rule.
Those who like to remove religious & faith overtones call it ethical reciprocity or in the Wikipedia the ethic of reciprocity.
Mark de LA says
Matthew VII, 5 basically says work on yourself first before blaming others. It fits well with admonishing today's racists.
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