Creating out of Nothing versus Ordinary Blogging

   First off, I apologize for creating out nothing so infrequently, if ever . Secondly, I acquired the distinction "creating from nothing" elsewhere & elsewhere.  "Facts & their relationships are on different levels; creation out of Nothing (note the three kinds) is as Free as you can get!" ..CFR.  The rest of the distinction I will have to recreate: (references are oral)
    Acknowledge everything , including that the space & context has no precedents of any kind "unrecognizable to be related to" - there is nothing familiar or cognizable of any kind.  Then create a vision of a future that calls forth something powerful enough to cause a different way of being - quite unfamiliar.  Step out on that diving board not knowing whether there is any water in the pool -  Just about anything you bring from the past is not in the creating-from-nothing space, except the tools of language.
   Anyway, ... blogs are mostly (99%) not in this space of creating-from-nothing. Rearranging links within the sea of the Internet, adding multiplicate opinions to what is already there in the sea is not creating;  certainly it is not from nothing.
   Some access to the forms of nothing:
  1. Imagine nothing exists by taking & removing everything a bit at a time until "nothing" is left.
  2. Use the mathematical zero as the no-dimension singularity of Cartesian coordinates
  3. Zen - hang out in a space where no mental conversation exists and no distinctions of any kind are made.  All percepts are extinguished before they are cognized.
  4. Perhaps there is a fourth, complementary to #1 which has acknowledging everything that exists to such a degree of intensity & grok that your own ego disappears into the grok; whereby you do not exist - you become nothing; you disappear into everything.
  5. Nothing at all - this thought experiment is also similar to #1 except it takes place before the "Big Bang" which supposedly created the Universe, perhaps before any universe, any parallel universe had anything in it including thoughts, concepts, God or whatever were in it; no contexts or distinctions of any kind exist or could be made! That nothingness which could ask the question "why should a universe exist at all?" but doesn't; having no audience & nothing to comprehend .
  6. Imagine a state of being that has no beginning, no end, infinite extent & no center. 

   So how is it possible to create in such a space?  There is in some such notion in the word initiate & in the Thelemic Motto - Do What thou Wilt (see also p2484 of the Tai Shu) - to wit:

CFR:   "The choice is not between good and evil; that would be the game of the establishment; for the word of sin is restriction; for one who performs free deeds - there is no grace; there is no guilt: this is the law: DO WHAT THOU WILT!  A free deed is truly a creation out of nothingness; thus light & darkness are a duality; BLACK is a Color of the Stone of the Wise!
... it is sourced out of the will.  The forms of nothingness may get you there or better yet keep you out of the pit of because (LL. II,27 - II,30).  Choose & DO & create your own vision with your own being - no buts.

   What's to be done? eh?

  

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Mark de LA says
Tina had some fascinating ideas this AM from a dream. One had to do with the eek of no beginning + no end. Another had to do with there being no center to the Universe (with an infinite expanse where would you find the center?) .  ... interesting ideas & concepts to play with on the way to nothing at all!

Mark de LA says
seth 2007-04-25 12:04:32 6831
What is the connection between the idea of "Creating out of Nothing" and this ? ... i don't get it. 
That is another source for inspiration.  I exposed this item as an antithesis to ordinary blogging. It probably belongs more under group thegreatwork where some of the references are more understandable to that audience.  I may do that and make this one disappear again. I don't want the conversation to be about CFR.  That would be about the past. Nevertheless, the tools I find I have like language & logic & spiritual knowledge are useful to the project.
Did you read the text in the page of the Tai Shu?  1971
source: ... Life always goes on no matter what the individual does, viz whether or not he or she accepts the fate which he or she planned for him or herself ages ago.  The thing - your thing - is to do your duty by the world - keep up the prescribed procedure without any laxity.  As you combine your weekly hex with that issued from HQ the progress you make will automatically enlighten; if you don't do that - you simply increase the burden on the shoulders of these who are doing their duty.  So gear your concepts to Reality.  It is our business & in so far as you are with Us your business to Initiate; not to purvey soothing syrup for the childish who are content to dwell in a dream world apart from the Truth to let their eternal values pass them by;  so it is up to you to question & avoid naivety - meh!
... This gives a more occult science perspective of 'the great work' which may or not be aligned with your own particular talents & creations.  In the opening paragraph is a Tai Shu quote connecting free deeds with creating out of nothing.


Mark de LA says
Creating out of nothing is a distinction of being.  There is no prep needed for being whatever you choose given step 6 of nothingness.



Mark de LA says
seth 2007-04-26 03:10:45 6831
I think something from nothing would be extremely rare.  Can't say i've ever experienced it.  Things do tend to have their precedents.  If such a thing ever happened it would be a special and wonderous event.
Well perhaps I focused too much on the nothing side of the equation.  As I said, this was intended to be private thoughts prior to it's premature exposure.  Nevertheless, some examples are:
  • JFK's declaration that we will go to the moon within the decade
  • MLK's "I have a dream" & subsequent civil rights movement
  • Jobs & Waz - personal computers on a large scale & in your houses
  • The Hunger project - the notion that we will actually end world hunger in the near future
  • Some of the same notions with respect AIDS in Africa (Bono, American Idol last night ..)
  • ???? - still at it's inception, more to come ...
  • Ghandi - nonviolent peace movement

Most of these were against the flow, they couldn't be done if you looked for precedents. If you start in the frame of mind of "anti" you get nowhere. The symbol below suffices. One side creates the other & visa-versa.  Balance & equilibrium is the way.



Seth says
I think something from nothing would be extremely rare.  Can't say i've ever experienced it.  Things do tend to have their precedents.  If such a thing ever happened it would be a special and wonderous event.

Mark de LA says
Just to clarify, what the Tao Symbol says to me is we can't fight war with anti-war.  We would have to create something higher in concept that would, if realized, make war obsolete or silly or moot.  I quit smoking ~ 20 years ago not by some great conquest of smoking by will, but more from the desire to enjoy breathing & the enjoyment of physical exercise. This was in essence a dimensional transformation of the habit/problem.
I wonder with this kind of transformation in mind what we can do for real in today's world? (see also [item 6818] for inspiration).
BTW, while a global "war on terrorism" frames a very definite & real problem! What might a global peace on cooperation be ?


Mark de LA says
I say that BofNK 25:27 (extracted below) describes a 4th form of nothing. 


Mark de LA says
Nothing is. Nothing becomes. Nothing is not.
—  Aleister Crowley in ΚΕΦΑΛΗ Η ΟΥΚ ΕΣΤΙ ΚΕΦΑΛΗ from The Book of Lies (Liber CCCXXXIII, Book 333)

Mark de LA says
Creating out of you & not-you - Peter Ralston

Seth says
Einai 2014-03-10 10:32:52 6831
seth 2014-03-10 10:15:47 6831
Einai 2014-03-09 07:14:24 6831
I say that BofNK 25:27 (extracted below) describes a 4th form of nothing. 


sounds like he is just talking about the null set

of course we do not define the null set as containing everything that is not something else.  rather it is just a representation of emptiness, without there even being an awareness of something empty

if the mind gets emptied, then there is no awareness there ... then if something emerges into it anyway, it is no longer is empty.  i find the idea, that what emerges into an empty mind, does not get connected to what the mind was prior to it being empty, quite preposterous. 
_________________________________________________________

but then that may just be me,

and my inadequacies;
so have a good laugh on me !


I think you missed the point. He is taliing about NOTHING! - not a set of nothing. There is nothing there to collect in a set. Actually the notion of a set is not there either. You may be trying to point out the algebraic math notation for the empty set or not, but ...
He is trying to point folks to an experience of nothing, eh?
Why don't you go over & argue with Peter on his Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Cheng-Hsin/108477634963


Well i think i did deal with what you though i missed, see bold statement above.  Mathematically the null set represents the same as talking about nothing.  I also expressed that nothing is not just not anything ... just like Peter did.  sometimes this not-stuff is fun to try to talk about anyway ... lol .

anyway, i am presuming (though Peter doesn't really say it) that this is setting up the meditation of emptying mind so that something otherwise will emerge.  i mentioned that i find that preposterous.  if one completely empties one's mind, then quite starkly nothing is there, not even a potential for something.   so, imho, such a meditation would eliminate some but not all.  just saying.

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-03-10 10:15:47 6831
Einai 2014-03-09 07:14:24 6831
I say that BofNK 25:27 (extracted below) describes a 4th form of nothing. 


sounds like he is just talking about the null set

of course we do not define the null set as containing everything that is not something else.  rather it is just a representation of emptiness, without there even being an awareness of something empty. 

if the mind gets emptied, then there is no awareness there ... then if something emerges into it anyway, it is no longer is empty.  i find the idea, that what emerges into an empty mind, does not get connected to what the mind was prior to it being empty, quite preposterous. 
_________________________________________________________

but then that may just be me,

and my inadequacies;
so have a good laugh on me !


I think you missed the point. He is taliing about NOTHING! - not a set of nothing. There is nothing there to collect in a set. Actually the notion of a set is not there either. You may be trying to point out the algebraic math notation for the empty set or not, but ...
He is trying to point folks to an experience of nothing, eh?
Why don't you go over & argue with Peter on his Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Cheng-Hsin/108477634963


Mark de LA says
The Empty your cup exercise is something entirely different. See BofNK 2:34
p.s. there are 21 references to empty in BofNK .
 BofNK 25:29 relates to the discussion of nothing & being.


Seth says
Einai 2014-03-10 11:28:03 6831
Einai 2014-03-10 11:22:56 6831
He's not talking about emptying the mind either.  He is talking about NOTHING! He is not talking about mathematical concepts at all.
It is obvious to me that for something to be created from nothing that it does not already exist. It is kinda a fresh start. Maybe master some of BofNK or go argue with Peter.

The converse if something does not already exist it must be created out of nothing!


i did listen to Peter's talk about creating out of self (or not self).  but personally i have never experienced something springing from nothing, whether i take credit for it or not.  so quite possibly i missed his point, or am denying it.  all my experiences with creating have been of starting with something and changing and re-associating it until i notice it is new enough to claim it exists.  the "me" part of the process is just the awareness, focus, intent, and the courage to make it so. 
i guess i don't understand how Peter is informing that experience ... and, er... ? ... i don't suppose you would just tell me.

Mark de LA says
As far as setting up a meditation on emptying the mind - Peter never did that, at least in the ~ 28 days I spent on separate occasions in his seminars. He did have one where you observed what was going on in there.  That is other people's stuff. I go for silent thought for amusement - what's in there going on? He mentioned in passing stop thinking - as being aware that a self is always active. etc.



Mark de LA says
Einai 2014-03-10 11:22:56 6831
He's not talking about emptying the mind either.  He is talking about NOTHING! He is not talking about mathematical concepts at all.
It is obvious to me that for something to be created from nothing that it does not already exist. It is kinda a fresh start. Maybe master some of BofNK or go argue with Peter.

The converse if something does not already exist it must be created out of nothing!


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-03-10 12:01:41 6831
Einai 2014-03-10 11:28:03 6831
Einai 2014-03-10 11:22:56 6831
He's not talking about emptying the mind either.  He is talking about NOTHING! He is not talking about mathematical concepts at all.
It is obvious to me that for something to be created from nothing that it does not already exist. It is kinda a fresh start. Maybe master some of BofNK or go argue with Peter.

The converse if something does not already exist it must be created out of nothing!


i did listen to Peter's talk about creating out of self (or not self).  but personally i have never experienced something springing from nothing, whether i take credit for it or not.  so quite possibly i missed his point, or am denying it.  all my experiences with creating have been of starting with something and changing and re-associating it until i notice it is new enough to claim it exists.  the "me" part of the process is just the awareness, focus, intent, and the courage to make it so. 
i guess i don't understand how Peter is informing that experience ... and, er... ? ... i don't suppose you would just tell me.
Well, that just about sums up your experience & what it is worth in this domain.

Seth says
Einai 2014-03-10 12:36:15 6831
Einai 2014-03-10 12:34:53 6831
Well, GW, PR & I haven't been successful in supplying clues, so I guess it is left for you to continue to stir the pot of already existing soup in the walled garden of self.





yep as expected.

Mark de LA says
Einai 2014-03-10 12:34:53 6831
Well, GW, PR & I haven't been successful in supplying clues, so I guess it is left for you to continue to stir the pot of already existing soup in the walled garden of self.




Mark de LA says
seth 2014-03-10 13:00:35 6831
Einai 2014-03-10 12:36:15 6831
Einai 2014-03-10 12:34:53 6831
Well, GW, PR & I haven't been successful in supplying clues, so I guess it is left for you to continue to stir the pot of already existing soup in the walled garden of self.





yep as expected.
You are very welcome! May I extend to you the same with great thanks & blessings.


Seth says
i want to come back and think about this though in the light of the new developments in our media.   am noting that here so it wont get lost while i am doing more domestic things.

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