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About: Tenet Defends Detainee Program on 60 Minutes


... what the war on terror is all about, listen to George Tenet being interviewed on  60 minutes next Sunday.
source: George Tenet
"We don't torture people, I want you to listen to me. The context is it's post-9/11. I've got reports of nuclear weapons in New York City, apartment buildings that are gonna be blown up, planes that are gonna fly into airports all over again, plot lines that I don't know. I don't know what's going on inside the United States, and I'm struggling to find out where the next disaster is going to occur. Everybody forgets one central context of what we lived through: the palpable fear that we felt on the basis of the fact that there was so much we did not know."
Now i am not a fear monger ... nor do i think we should transform our country into an armed camp and give up our freedoms and become like our enemy.  But the actual war against terror is being fought by solid intelligence gathering and police work and is probably better focused on bases around Quetta, in the Baluchistan region of Pakistan than in Baghdad.

Those of you who think that staying in Iraq has anything whatsoever to do with preventing mushrooms from sprouting up all over our land can make your factual and considered case on this node.  Otherwise can we please just get the fuck out of Iraq and get back to the serious challenge that confronts us?

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  4. nukes
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  7. torture

Comments


Mark de LA says
M 2007-04-25 18:48:45 6998
Rumor has it that Tenet is going to piss off the Whitehouse. Lest ye forget, Tenet was a holdover from the Clinton Administration; a big mistake for Bush.
Tenet was running the CIA when the bad intelligence was being gathered for the Iraq invasion. I expect his new book to be a furious CYA. 

Mark de LA says



Seth says
source:William F Buckley
"[Tenet's] testimony reveals the CIA run by a man who cannot think straight, advising the national security adviser, who went on to make false allegations, and the vice president, who made more false allegations, and the president, who took ill-considered actions."
Well i don't know about that, Tenet's empassioned utterings certainly made for interesting TV, but shed little light on the events of the day, nor did he paint himself with a white wash. 

Pelley: But what you

Mark de LA says
I think technology will soon obsolete standard torture. 
With functional MRIs & brain mapping + advanced NLP just about anything could be extracted.

Mark de LA says
A terrorist will lie until the inquisitor is congruent with his stress on the prisoner to create the belief that the prisoner will encounter enough pain, physical or mental, that he won't be able to withstand.  That is no surprise & is not noteworthy. That terrorists say they lied is not news. If you want to believe lying terrorists in court - shoot your stick. What bible would they swear upon? If they swear on the Koran does it mean anything?


Seth says
MR 2009-06-16 10:05:19 6998
seth 2009-06-16 09:42:14 6998
Here we have more indication of torture eliciting lies ...
source: washingtonpost.com
Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times, appears to have invoked the U.S. Constitution to protest his treatment.

He described the response he received: "You are not American, and you are not on American soil. So you cannot ask about the Constitution."

Mohammed also said he lied in response to questions about bin Laden's location.

"Where is he? I don't know," Mohammed said. "Then he torture me. Then I said yes, he is in this area."
...
If this is the guy that "masterminded" the 9-11 why wouldn't he lie?? Right now since Obama & even Mirandizing terrorists, it is vogue to beat up on Gitmo & the CIA. I would expect that any detainee worth his street creds to continue to lie & tell tales of waterboarding. No surprise here!    The US Constitution protecting terrorists all the way to the SCROTUS 12024 stands up pretty well.

Point is that torture elicits mostly lies.  Why is it that your primary arguing strategy is to change the topic?  That is a formula for going nowhere.  It just produces static.  Staying on point does not guarantee agreement, but it at least makes for coherent dialogue.  Picture molecules bouncing around at random ... that is just heat.

Seth says
MR 2009-06-16 11:20:08 6998
seth 2009-06-16 11:15:41 6998
source: MR above
A terrorist will lie until the inquisitor is congruent with his stress on the prisoner to create the belief that the prisoner will encounter enough pain, physical or mental, that he won't be able to withstand.
... and then he will lie to get out of the pain.  You might want to find a repubable source to disprove that.  
Not me.  But just for amusement I will cite Jack Bauer in "24" who usually gets the information he needs to get the next threat (or episode).

indeed! 

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