My Grandfather's Son - Justice Thomas

About: clarence thomas: the justice nobody knows, supreme court justice gives first television interview to 60 minutes' steve kroft - cbs news

Great interview - Great Man!  He came close to the ideas in 714 without stating them. 60 Minutes interview last night had some surprises! Normally, I don't watch 60 minutes.  Today it will be interesting to listen to a long interview with Rush Limbaugh of the eminent jurist.

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Seth says
M 2007-10-01 10:48:31 8158
seth 2007-10-01 10:35:03 8158
Well i wish that the governemet would stay out of this religious issue as well.   But wishing that it not be the government's business, unfortunately does not solve the problem when you have many states who could and consequently would legislate against it.  If the women of America are to have the right to decide not to carry a pregnancy to term, then Roe v. Wade must be upheld.  
Actually, it should be none of any government's business at any level.  What needs to happen is to have it declared such from the Supreme Court such that Roe v Wade is repudiated & further levels of governments are prevented from enacting any such laws.  It may take a Constitutional amendment. 
Well it certainly would take a constitutional ammendment because i doubt the the text currently in the constitution about separation of church and state is sufficidntly strong to disallow a state from enacting a law prohibiting abortion.  If Roe v. Wade is repudiated, then we are back in the dark ages re womens reproductive rights. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2007-10-01 10:35:03 8158
Well i wish that the governemet would stay out of this religious issue as well.   But wishing that it not be the government's business, unfortunately does not solve the problem when you have many states who could and consequently would legislate against it.  If the women of America are to have the right to decide not to carry a pregnancy to term, then Roe v. Wade must be upheld.  
Actually, it should be none of any government's business at any level.  What needs to happen is to have it declared such from the Supreme Court such that Roe v Wade is repudiated & further levels of governments are prevented from enacting any such laws.  It may take a Constitutional amendment.  That would pave the path more towards freedom -not less. Those who support abortion should support same privately & remove the subject from the political arena.  There are already laws against medical malpractice - no need to resurrect the whole thing about poor people in back alleys with coat hanger abortions dying. Judging from the prevalence of people who support abortion there should be plenty of money for it. There are also laws against infanticide which should pretty much cover lethal injection executions within the womb & partial birth brain-sucking abortions.

Mark de LA says
M 2007-10-01 10:18:04 8158
source: ... I don't think that having the abortion issue determined differently in the several states is the way to go in 21th century.
... Yep, it shouldn't be the government's business AT ALL - see my 1535 or [tagroom: tag abortion]




Seth says
I listened to the interview on 60 minutes too.   It did change some of the misconceptions that i had absorbed  from the media about this man.   He now appears to be a man who's values and conception of America is rooted in his grand father's time.  But things have changed since the 19th century.   I don't think that having the abortion issue determined differently in the several states is the way to go in 21th century.

Mark de LA says
Repudiating Roe v Wade with the correct reasoning as a violation of the First Ammendment would be a step in the right direction. Establishing Science or Atheism as a religion is no better than establishing Islam or Christianity.  They are all a matter of beliefs & faiths & as such are forbidden by the first ammendment.  The ultimate in freedom is going to have to be balanced on a foundation of individual responsibility.  To restrict freedom is going in the direction of retarded evolution. Individual responsibility is the key!


Mark de LA says
Once you bring it down to the individual who makes the choice, independent of the government, there is still the residue of whether it is right or wrong to do so. The country as a whole will reap what it has sown in this & the previous generations as a result of abortion's selfish, liberal, materialistic direction.  Already social security doesn't have enough tax payers & workers from the classes that make the higher wages as a result. It now has to import the higher educated from foreign shores & a flood of low wage earners. 
The spiritual side is that nothing is new. Physical laws determine the physical realms - we are not free there. In the realm of the Spirit - spiritual laws prevail.  It is the realm of the Soul that we are free to do what we want & experience what we want & reap the consequences of the same.  Yes, you are fully free to be an asshole & experience what it's like to be one & the consequences of being one. 


Mark de LA says
seth 2007-10-01 14:53:02 8158
M 2007-10-01 13:48:41 8158
Repudiating Roe v Wade with the correct reasoning as a violation of the First Amendment would be a step in the right direction.
Yes, but then would the court also strike down any state legislation to restrict abortion?
I don't know.  Generally the law works from precedence. All it would take is the Supreme Court then striking down a state's law to make it work for all of them providing the ruling is sufficiently broad.  Supreme court cases are not general or theoretical.  It takes real people with real complaints to start the ball rolling.

Seth says
M 2007-10-01 15:29:56 8158
seth 2007-10-01 14:53:02 8158
M 2007-10-01 13:48:41 8158
Repudiating Roe v Wade with the correct reasoning as a violation of the First Amendment would be a step in the right direction.
Yes, but then would the court also strike down any state legislation to restrict abortion?
I don't know. 
Well that's my point.  If you repudiate Roe, without also repudiating the state legislation, then the effect is to let states legislate against abortion.  You seem to be avoiding acknowledging that simple practical fact.  What it feels to me is that with this "solution" you can call yourself being for freedom and against governmental meddling in  matters that are religious choices, but at the same time effectively prevent women from choosing abortion (in some states).  Noone else but you, is going to be reveling in that loophole.

Mark de LA says
source: ... Well that's my point.  If you repudiate Roe, without also repudiating the state legislation, then the effect is to let states legislate against abortion.  You seem to be avoiding acknowledging that simple practical fact.  What it feels to me is that with this "solution" you can call yourself being for freedom and against governmental meddling in  matters that are religious choices, but at the same time effectively prevent women from choosing abortion (in some states).  Noone else but you, is going to be reveling in that loophole
... If I didn't know you better, I would say that you switched sides to that of the abortionists & their victims. You seem to be looking for conflict rather than resolution. One has to work backwards from the solution to what will make all the dominoes fit in place.  In this case, the solution is to remove the question of abortion from the public sector & governments to the private sector & the individual who may (or not) answer to God.  Now you have to use your imagination & good will to provide the antecedents to that solution.  I can think of several possibilities but I am little willing to disclose them in a context of conflict.
 This node has evolved to a discussion appropriate to the [tagroom: tag abortion] so more constructive comments should be sent to that tagroom, perhaps on a new node.


Seth says
I have always been pro-choice ... perhaps you didn't realize that because i spoke out against partual birth abortion.  I'm with you when you say that the government should not concern it's self with abortion because it is a religious matter.  But you can't apply that to Roe and not to states legslating to prohibit, otherwise you are just working to end abortion.  That is the only point i am trying to get across here and that is the last time i will say it to you. 


Seth says
M 2007-10-02 09:20:24 8158
Once you bring it down to the individual who makes the choice, independent of the government, there is still the residue of whether it is right or wrong to do so.
Yep, once the government keeps out of it, the decision is up to the individual's own ethics.

Mark de LA says
Yep, women are free to make a shitty choice!  The measure of success in this matter will be if abortions become infrequent & dwindle towards none.


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