Capital & Credit

About: rso: social future 4: capital and credit

  
Down the road these concepts will yield a more organic solution than government. I am always asking myself the question "How do we get from here to there?"        
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This is especially evident in the case of land. Certain conditions may very well make it necessary for a district to be cultivated in a particular way. Such conditions may be of a moral nature; they may be founded on spiritual and cultural peculiarities. However, it is entirely possible that the fulfillment of these conditions would result in a smaller interest on capital than would investment in some other undertaking. As a consequence of the purely capitalist tendency, the land will then be exploited, not in accordance with these spiritual or cultural viewpoints (which are not purely capitalist in character), but in such a way that the resulting interest on capital will equal the interest resulting from other undertakings. Thus values that may be very necessary to a real civilization are left undeveloped. Under the influence of this purely capitalist orientation, the estimation of economic values becomes one-sided; it is no longer rooted in the living connection we must have with nature and with cultural life, if nature and spiritual life are to give us satisfaction in body and in soul.

... I call this the Twinkie effect of Capitalism.  Starting from the concerns of health, nutrition & nourishment I cannot conceive that the Twinkie would have ever been invented!  The realm of politics is unsuitable for the evolution of a organic versus oncological growth of economic system since those in power will manipulate the situation to their own benefits & to remain in power. THEN WHAT?
  • Does the market provide the best opportunity for a dynamic balance between supply & demand?
  • What if those who produce goods & services negotiated the relative values of the goods & services?


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Seth says
M 2008-04-12 11:15:21 9783
seth 2008-04-12 10:18:51 9783
source: M above
What if those who produce goods & services negotiated the relative values of the goods & services?
Isn't that exactly what you are doing when you haggel over a price to buy and or sell?
Most people don't haggle except on the big things like houses. Anyway, someone producing talking bibles doesn't haggle with someone producing bread which was the level of the idea I am working with.  If those in the Middle East & other oil producing places had to haggle with those producing grain & other things they need they might relate differently.  The abstract nature of money tends to produce a spiral of inflation & a spiral in wages. Ultimately, things remain the same or get worse.  Bringing the negotions back down from governments & banking institutions down to the human to human relationship would, IMHO, be a step in the right direction.
My only point is that "those who produce goods & services" do "negotiate the relative values of goods and services" in any open marketplace.  For example, if i'm a carpenter in a marketplace where the price of bread and milk is increasing, and if there no other alternatives for my family, then i must raise my price for my work so that i can feed my family.  That is a very narrow example but the principal hairs through any marketplace setting the relative values of goods and services naturally.  You need to express how this natural setting of relative values is insufficient for your purposes.

Mark de LA says
seth 2008-04-12 10:18:51 9783
source: M above
What if those who produce goods & services negotiated the relative values of the goods & services?
Isn't that exactly what you are doing when you haggel over a price to buy and or sell?
Most people don't haggle except on the big things like houses. Anyway, someone producing talking bibles doesn't haggle with someone producing bread which was the level of the idea I am working with.  If those in the Middle East & other oil producing places had to haggle with those producing grain & other things they need they might relate differently.  The abstract nature of money tends to produce a spiral of inflation & a spiral in wages. Ultimately, things remain the same or get worse.  Bringing the negotions back down from governments & banking institutions down to the human to human relationship would, IMHO, be a step in the right direction.

Mark de LA says
For one thing it produces money for money's sake. Congress & government tips the market with subsidies & tariffs. While I am as good a capitalist as any my intuition tells me that there are a lot of goods & services being produced (like twinkies) which are out of balance with the nurturing of a civil & peaceful society of human beings. The free market is as good as we have to do this now.  I want to go beyond that to a future for the Earth where all beings are healthy, physically & mentally, at peace with their neighbors.  An example of what capitalism has produced is a nation of fat people, marketed to by TV advertizers to buy copious amounts of beer, hamburgers & french fries. Legally it's capitalism.  There is some counter pressure these days. But, if the people like McDonalds had to negotiate with the healthcare industry for value, things might be different. 

Seth says
Well i'm pretty sure you dont want the government to force McDee to negoatiate with the health care industry ... so how do you get there from here?

Mark de LA says
seth 2008-04-12 16:55:19 9783
Well i'm pretty sure you dont want the government to force McDee to negoatiate with the health care industry ... so how do you get there from here?
I am currently teasing out some of the motivations for future difference.  The McDonald's example was perhaps a bad example of the quote in the body of the item.
More to come .....


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